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I am demonstrating that posting a harmless cartoon turns this thread into a groan fest.

Or to put it differently: That the same people who demand freedom for their religion and frankly "unSwiss" culture react like aggressive baboons as soon as somebody does make the slightest provocation. This is the very core of the thread on a family that mentally never arrived here: You cannot demand freedom for yourself but in the same moment jump at anyone who has a conflicting position. To claim that swimming lessons for girls are against religious freedom is complete bullshit and has nothing to do with Islam - it has a lot to do with small minded boneheads. You know, the type of people that would groan on internet forums...

Your will find the same types in ANY religion, but for some reason I cannot explain do on this website especially the ones on Islam attract the worst crowd.
i think you are exaggerating, so far what i see is people here have been kindly reminding you that posting a cartoon that many people find offensive and that caused so much trouble through the globe is insensitive, there is nothing aggressive about this. Contrarily, I find your approach pretty aggressive, just look at the language you have been using and you will see...
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Old 12.04.2012, 14:08
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Re: Muslim girls must swim with boys: Swiss court

If we're to believe these religious folks, they get eternal life and are best friends with all powerful beings, what do they need protection from?

We should be more concerned with other fringe hobbyists, what protection to trainspotters get from ridicule?
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There are plenty more threads that do not discuss religion in any way.
Are you so sure?
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Old 12.04.2012, 14:21
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But that does not make him less of a real problem in the world today...
If HE exists, then he also has freedom of speech.

HE can write holy books with all sorts of strange things.

HE can write as many holy books as he wants.

We should not demand those books be banned.

But those who follow those books to the letter and do hateful things as a result should take the responsibility for their actions and stop blaming HIM.

Likewise, Danish newspapers can draw cartoons of the guys in those holy books. That is also their freedom.

If people want to set fire to Swiss embassies as a result, they cannot blame HIM and cannot blame the Danish newspapers but are wholly responsible for their own actions.

Freedom of speech gives you the right to say what you want, not to do what you want.
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And now back to my freedom of speech:
Hey Treverus,

how you practice freedom is making others sad, I remind you with your words down here

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Words can hurt more than a stick on the head.
what one says is part of his personality and if one doesn't believe in what he says and just decorating words to show that he is wise then it is not good.

freedom limit stops when it hurts others.

I advise you and all other to step back and review your posts and think if it brings any benefit more than increasing level of hatred between two groups.

have a good afternoon all.
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Old 12.04.2012, 14:36
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Hey Treverus,

how you practice freedom is making others sad, I remind you with your words down here



what one says is part of his personality and if one doesn't believe in what he says and just decorating words to show that he is wise then it is not good.

freedom limit stops when it hurts others.
That is a strange definition of freedom of speech.

If my freedom of speech stops where others are offended, how can we have political debates? How can we have peer review? How can a teacher correct his pupils? How can you question the status quo? How can you define being offended? Anybody can claim to be offended and unless you can see inside their mind, you cannot see whether the offence is real. Banning offensive speech is just a first step to banishing free speech.
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A Muslim family in Basel has been fined 1,400 francs ($1,550) for refusing to let its daughters participate in mixed swimming classes.
...and this is why the US is better than Switzerland.
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Old 12.04.2012, 14:42
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Re: Muslim girls must swim with boys: Swiss court

Wow, lovely. In this thread we saw: Muslim, Islam, God, Jewish, Christian, fat, freedom of speech, terrorists and now USA.

Forgot something?
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Hey Treverus,

how you practice freedom is making others sad, I remind you with your words down here
Feel free to dig through my old posts as long as you want. However, I'd appreciate if you do not pull out single sentences out of context...

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Words can hurt more than a stick on the head. I am tough enough to be tolerant to let you post whatever you feel or think
My message was that you have the freedom of speech, but when talking to people in a difficult situation - in that thread we were talking about cancer patients that are so suffering that they consider assisted suicide - one should limit himself to not harm them in their vulnerable situation.

You can read all my posts and I bet you will have a hard time to find something that conflicts with a few points:
- I believe in freedom of speech and only accept to limit it where it causes direct harm, the cancer patient example is a perfect one for it.
- I do not accept that a cartoon or any written word can be so harmful that it should be outlawed or deleted by mods.
- Of course can some words hurt people and their feelings. I am not saying that practicing ones' freedom of speech means that you should walk around and insult people.

However, if you are not even tolerant enough for a simple harmless cartoon or joke do you simply need to grow a longer fuse in order to survive in Europe.
You will see a lot more provocative things from ad campaigns to political campaigns that will hurt you hyper sensitive feelings. I personally prefer to live in a place where there is nobody telling me what to think and I am free to choose what to look at and what not. And I most certainly do not want to live in a place where "acceptable" is defined by the most intolerant part of the society. No matter what religion they have.

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Wow, lovely. In this thread we saw: Muslim, Islam, God, Jewish, Christian, fat, freedom of speech, terrorists and now USA.

Forgot something?
Junk food.
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Wow, lovely. In this thread we saw: Muslim, Islam, God, Jewish, Christian, fat, freedom of speech, terrorists and now USA.

Forgot something?
The Swiss?

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Wow, lovely. In this thread we saw: Muslim, Islam, God, Jewish, Christian, fat, freedom of speech, terrorists and now USA.

Forgot something?
Landlords and flat cleaning.
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However, if you are not even tolerant enough for a simple harmless cartoon or joke do you simply need to grow a longer fuse in order to survive in Europe.
Oh, come on.....don't pretend that the cartoon was posted in a harmless way. It was posted to make a point, and it did. Don't play both sides by bating the argument and then complaining when the bait was taken....
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Wow, lovely. In this thread we saw: Muslim, Islam, God, Jewish, Christian, fat, freedom of speech, terrorists and now USA.

Forgot something?
The point of the thread? Some time ago...
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The point of the thread? Some time ago...
The thread was started by The Local. It didn't have a point.
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Oh, come on.....don't pretend that the cartoon was posted in a harmless way. It was posted to make a point, and it did. Don't play both sides by bating the argument and then complaining when the bait was taken....
I am in no way complaining. I posted the cartoon to test the reactions if our Muslim members on this thread are as tolerant themselves as they demand the Swiss to be for their views and traditional life style. And for the record is this very much on topic for this thread.

Up to now the answers seems to unfortunately be a "no". As I posted earlier do I not for a second believe that this has anything to do with Islam. I have met far too many tolerant Muslims before to believe so...
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Wow, lovely. In this thread we saw: Muslim, Islam, God, Jewish, Christian, fat, freedom of speech, terrorists and now USA.

Forgot something?
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Wow, lovely. In this thread we saw: Muslim, Islam, God, Jewish, Christian, fat, freedom of speech, terrorists and now USA.

Forgot something?
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