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Ahahaha I thought it was the expats that earn 120K min or can't survive
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Old 18.04.2012, 23:39
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well in general, since Aldi and Lidl opened up in Switzerland there are little to no reasons to go grocery shopping in Germany...and also Swiss Lidl and Aldi have WAY better quality than the German Lidl and Aldi..., but Edeka/E-market is better than Swiss Aldi and Lidl...
About "Swiss Lidl and Aldi have WAY better quality than the German Lidl and Aldi" - can you support this statement in some way?
The things I buy in Swiss Aldi seem to be identical to the German Aldi except more expensive; I mean same supplier, same packaging, etc.

For example the recordable DVDs seem to be identical but half the price in German Aldi
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Old 18.04.2012, 23:42
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well in general, since Aldi and Lidl opened up in Switzerland there are little to no reasons to go grocery shopping in Germany...and also Swiss Lidl and Aldi have WAY better quality than the German Lidl and Aldi..., but Edeka/E-market is better than Swiss Aldi and Lidl...
Well, as Lidl and Aldi totally suck quality wise, the German version must really be crap.

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My point was more the hypocrisy of COOP whinging about cross boarder shoppers, yet doing it themselves.

Nevermind.

(oh, & whilst i obviously appreciate your rare insight on film prices Wolli, up this end, we've kinda been digital for the past decade )
Digital equipment used to be more expensive in Germany than in Switzerland, and here again, suppliers here, possibly after a bit of negotiations, can be less expensive than the Germans, who in comparison with Britain are 10 to 40% more expensive.

COOP was hypocritical recently but Migros even was childish when opposing Lidl-Aldi with the same arguments which were launched against Migros in the 1950ies and 60ies. I never found the English word for
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Well, as Lidl and Aldi totally suck quality wise, the German version must really be crap.

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Actually, some of the Lidl wines here get cracking reviews and the nappies are fine.
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Actually, some of the Lidl wines here get cracking reviews and the nappies are fine.
Actually, that's something I will agree on, my wife comes back with some good ones from time to time, but doesn't buy much else except cheap greens for the rabbits, in fact she's going back tomorrow to look for a South African wine that she got and we like.

But even she prefers Aldi to Lidl, and Migros/Coop to either (and, unlike me, she is very frugal)

Personally, I prefer Manor, but I'm not frugal (but I prefer Migros to Coop).

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Digital equipment used to be more expensive in Germany than in Switzerland
It still is the case with Italy, I often by such products in CH for my wife's relatives in Luino as they are MUCH cheaper here.

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This also highlights that Germany in general is much more affordable then Italy. In recent years it is well known that Germany is more affordable to travel for holidays then Italy, Spain or France. So therefore its not surprising that the Italian visitors to the border area don't now think that there is much advantage, for those living close enough to go across to Germany then the advantage is massive and its not just expats going. The choice is loads more and the prices are 20-40% under Swiss prices even if the exchange went up to 1.6 or higher it is still worth it
Please while talking about the prices, do not forget that many restaurants in Konstanz, Friedrichshafen, Meersburg, Ravensburg etc are worth a visit as being special. The "Graf Zeppelin" in Konstanz is not cheap but special, as is the Cleopatra, both worth a visit always. Books by average will always not only be cheaper but around with a good range as a majority of the publishers are based in Germany. Never underestimate the strength of Germany, and do not believe all those Germans who say their country is going belly-up as Germans are the world's best complainers

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but you do realize that the Swiss shopkeeper who calculates the 1400% markup, then prints out the price tag, then bins it because its is not perfectly centered on the label, then takes a smoke break and then prints a good one - he has to make chf 120 per hour in order to afford his Audi A6 Allroad and the trip to Thailand in the summer, don't you?

I know Konstanz, and I will start to believe the story when somebody shows where in Konstanz I can get ANYTHING for € 1.00 and the chap in Kreuzlingen either is not existing or most exceedingly stupid as Kreuzlingen businessmen are fully aware of the prices in Konstanz as they go shopping overthere THEMSELVES. I very simply suppose the chap in Konstanz does not have the stuff ready to sell ! Kreuzlingen and Konstanz have become the same marketplace since the road along the lake became customs-control free almost 20 years ago. I for many years on visits there parked my car on the Kreuzlingen-side and walked over to do shopping and returned. And in regard to public transport, there even is an SBB section at Konstanz Bahnhof

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Yes, by who would want to go to Germany?

Italy is a much nicer place, particularly the food, language and scenery.

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While I prefer Italy by 200%, Germany is much nearer to Zürich. And both countries ARE nice, even beautiful. Exactly this is the source of the strength of Switzerland. To be between to exceedingly beautiful countries and only being a short distance away from the major centres of both. By this I speak about Torino, Milano, Varese, Como, Bergamo, Verona, and Konstanz, Friedrichshafen, Colmar/F, Strassburg/F, Stuttgart, Ulm, Augsburg and München.

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About "Swiss Lidl and Aldi have WAY better quality than the German Lidl and Aldi" - can you support this statement in some way?
The things I buy in Swiss Aldi seem to be identical to the German Aldi except more expensive; I mean same supplier, same packaging, etc.

For example the recordable DVDs seem to be identical but half the price in German Aldi
Not really. Aldi has done away with "Oesterreichischer Emmentaler" and replaced it with real Emmentaler. Aldi and Lidl in many instances have replaced inferior German and Austrian products by better Italian and French products.

If the DVDs you mention were twice the price here it simply was a mistake, as the costs-basis between Aldi-D and Aldi-CH is less than 25% . Most DVDs on the world market come from NON-European countries and often are cheaper in Switzerland, even if purchased via a German wholesaler as you get the German VAT returned and only have to pay the CH VAT

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Actually, some of the Lidl wines here get cracking reviews and the nappies are fine.
I when Lidl started up in Zürich generally was positively surprised, at least in general. In regard to the wines, the critics possibly referred to the cheapest wines they have in their assortment, which in fact is really good, but clearly too sweet. They ought to change this in order to meet the taste of their customers.

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Well, as Lidl and Aldi totally suck quality wise, the German version must really be crap.

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Don't agree - we feel the quality of SOME of the products [mostly German BTW even here in France] are reasonably good. And the cost is way below that of the Migros and COOP just up the road and across the border, that's for sure. And sure, the shopkeeper has to keep the prices at 140% just so that he CAN afford his Audi and his yearly holiday in the Seychelles/Thailand.
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Meanwhile this Swiss consumer organisation has launched a guide to cross border shopping
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Meanwhile this Swiss consumer organisation has launched a guide to cross border shopping
And it costs less than 10 CHF.
A bargain.
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

I was riding home on the training and saw the advertisement about buying in Switzerland. I saw they have a website. in-der-schweiz-gekauft.ch

I checked out their arguments about why we should buy here and had a big LOL moment. So here are the arguments:

1: great choice of products
2: Quality of services: The industry is used to making the impossible possible for clients
3: Innovation: The Swiss industry makes sure that always the newest products are available for the customers
4: System Switzerland: social engagement etc.
5: Partnerships with clients:The industry takes ideas from clients and transforms them into products and services. This client closeness is a important feature in the Swiss SME-economy
6: Apprenticeships: 70% of apprenticeships are done in Swiss businesses
7: Jobs
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I was riding home on the training and saw the advertisement about buying in Switzerland. I saw they have a website. in-der-schweiz-gekauft.ch

I checked out their arguments about why we should buy here and had a big LOL moment. So here are the arguments:

1: great choice of products
2: Quality of services: The industry is used to making the impossible possible for clients
3: Innovation: The Swiss industry makes sure that always the newest products are available for the customers
4: System Switzerland: social engagement etc.
5: Partnerships with clients:The industry takes ideas from clients and transforms them into products and services. This client closeness is a important feature in the Swiss SME-economy
6: Apprenticeships: 70% of apprenticeships are done in Swiss businesses
7: Jobs

Wow...I'm sold. Won't be needing my car anymore
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Actually, some of the Lidl wines here get cracking reviews and the nappies are fine.

That's good to know but since i drink a bit less now i find i can manage without nappies now...
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I was riding home on the training and saw the advertisement about buying in Switzerland. I saw they have a website. in-der-schweiz-gekauft.ch

I checked out their arguments about why we should buy here and had a big LOL moment. So here are the arguments:

1: great choice of products
2: Quality of services: The industry is used to making the impossible possible for clients
3: Innovation: The Swiss industry makes sure that always the newest products are available for the customers
4: System Switzerland: social engagement etc.
5: Partnerships with clients:The industry takes ideas from clients and transforms them into products and services. This client closeness is a important feature in the Swiss SME-economy
6: Apprenticeships: 70% of apprenticeships are done in Swiss businesses
7: Jobs
About "Quality of services: The industry is used to making the impossible possible for clients"
Is there a Zürich in a different dimension/universe that I should be shopping in? Example in supermarket, "low fat milk? No, plenty of milk....."
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...here are the arguments:
1: great choice of products
2: Quality of services: The industry is used to making the impossible possible for clients
3: Innovation: The Swiss industry makes sure that always the newest products are available for the customers
4: System Switzerland: social engagement etc.
5: Partnerships with clients:The industry takes ideas from clients and transforms them into products and services. This client closeness is a important feature in the Swiss SME-economy
6: Apprenticeships: 70% of apprenticeships are done in Swiss businesses
7: Jobs
Ho, ho, I make the hollow laughing....

I think that they are being disingenuous with their arguments:
  1. The easist to disprove, many hobbyists will tell you that in their chosen hobby, the amount of choice for their hobby needs available outside of Switzerland far exceeds what's available in CH (I recently received a Conrad catalogue from Germany and it was notable for how many items were flagged "nicht lieferbard in der Schweiz"). The EF forum is full of stories about the wide range of products available in supermarkets ex-CH and any comparison between the CH and non-CH websites of major international consumer electronics companies will highlight the smaller choice available in Switzerland.
  2. Really? My experience of service varies immensely; ranging from the very good, helpful and friendly all the way to surly, disdainful and unhelpful (Mrs TD, a Swiss, remarked during one of our London trips how pleasant and helpful staff were in London - an interesting comment given that London is not exactly world renowned for its chirpy, cheerful, friendly service)
  3. Only true if the Swiss company is competing in the international arena (machinery, watches, pharma, chemicals, finance), but with domestic only products??? Arguably not innovative for the home market.
  4. Probably true, but as recent events with Roche, Novartis, Merk-Serono et al. have shown, the American style "Hire n Fire" (well, at least the "fire" bit) is gaining ground.
  5. Indeed? Very likely in the Swiss international companies (see 3 above). But domestically? The examples would be???
  6. No personal or indirect experience, but possibly the best (only?) argument on the list
  7. Of course! Recent events in the Pharma and Financial sectors (amongst others) certainly support the notion that buying in Switzerland creates, keeps and maintains jobs...
I think they will have to come up with better arguments to convince me to do all my shopping in Switzerland...


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I was riding home on the training and saw the advertisement about buying in Switzerland. I saw they have a website. in-der-schweiz-gekauft.ch

I checked out their arguments about why we should buy here and had a big LOL moment. So here are the arguments:

1: great choice of products
2: Quality of services: The industry is used to making the impossible possible for clients
3: Innovation: The Swiss industry makes sure that always the newest products are available for the customers
4: System Switzerland: social engagement etc.
5: Partnerships with clients:The industry takes ideas from clients and transforms them into products and services. This client closeness is a important feature in the Swiss SME-economy
6: Apprenticeships: 70% of apprenticeships are done in Swiss businesses
7: Jobs
1) the choice cannot be better than elsewhere but the same at best and far inferior at worst
2) the industry is alright, the problem rather is in retailing. With far too high real estate costs and some import restrictions, for example on agricultural products in the time when the Canton Wallis brings certain products onto the market
3) innovation, sure. Particular in case of the export industry. So that customers in Japan and Brasil and Canada and Spain and India can get exceedingly modern Swiss products at acceptable prices, while people here have to pay in full and often get the old product lines no longer used for exports
4) The average consumer is neither rich nor a philantropist, and is not willing to pay exorbitant prices just because somebody says it is for "social" reasons
5) ALL industries in the world take ideas from the customerbase
6) I am in favour of the apprenticeships system, but fail to see why this should be a reason for anybody to do the shopping in Switzerland and NOT to the shopping in the neighbourhood
7) Jobs --- there in this is a MISinterpretation

> let's start with pt. 7. Most people living in the border-zones of Germany, Austria, Italy and France DO some shopping in Switzerland. They know amazingly well what products either are cheaper !! or better overhere, or available in Zürich, Basel and Geneva but not just accross the border. If you support the trade in the neighbourhood you give them the money to do some nice shopping or entertainment in Switzerland. The economies of the different countries are NOT separated by an iron curtain, but closely interlinked.
> I cannot speak for the whole, but in our shop, the Germans are back ! Alright, a good part of our stuff is imported from (or via) Great Britain or the USA. Strange is that we often can purchase German products from some of our major German wholesale suppliers more cheaply via London or Miami than directly.
> then, some "arguments" are simply silly at least or even ridiculous. I mean, "Schweizer Eier" not only hints to Swiss chicken having the better eggs than those accross the border, but inevitably leads me to some strange, very strange thoughts

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many hobbyists will tell you that in their chosen hobby, the amount of choice for their hobby needs available outside of Switzerland far exceeds what's available in CH (I recently received a Conrad catalogue from Germany and it was notable for how many items were flagged "nicht lieferbard in der Schweiz").
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look, I am purchasing Conrad products commercially from Conrad. ALL their products are "lieferbar in die Schweiz" . What is the point ? The point is that Conrad is not to deliver stuff to individuals where the postage (Switzerland by the German postal tariff is "outside EU") would be more expensive than the product itself.
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add to this that a lot of the products they even offer on their WEBsite in reality are sold out anyway

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CH and non-CH websites of major international consumer electronics companies will highlight the smaller choice available in Switzerland.
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I cannot judge the WEBsites, but the choice in Switzerland is the same as elsewhere and all the stuff of consumer electronics companies IS available in Switzerland. If they fail to maintain their CH WEBsite properly this may be regrettable, but has nothing to do with "choice available"

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Only true if the Swiss company is competing in the international arena (machinery, watches, pharma, chemicals, finance), but with domestic only products??? Arguably not innovative for the home market.
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The plans to launch such a campaign were dropped after Coop decided to quit the program.
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The plans to launch such a campaign were dropped after Coop decided to quit the program.
Maybe someone in their marketing department quietly pointed out my hypocrisy claim as well
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