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I never ever take my passport when going to France - and they never ask- only the 'anything to declare?'
The worst crossing is Chatelad joining Chamonix with Martigny. I have had the car taken to pieces three times. I was with my ex CH girlfriend who really lost it with them, it was really quite funny to watch! 75% of the time they are not there, they just make up for it when they are!
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Old 15.04.2012, 19:12
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Generally the Swiss cstoms have a habit of asking for passports, if they get into any conversation then run into their hut to check you out.

My Ex lived on the border, one day I got controlled driving the car into France to park, I returned on foot 1 minute later & the same idiot checked my passport again on his system. I said how could anything of changed in under 2 minutes. He was pissed as I refused to talk to him in German! He had seen me go in & out of the next house several 100 times, he knew exactly who I was.
Well, starting salary of 3K per month means the only fun they can afford to have is taking the pi** out of people passing through

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Old 15.04.2012, 19:22
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Well, starting salary of 3K per month means the only fun they can afford to have is taking the pi** out of people passing through salary
But think of the time they save when going shopping!
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Old 15.04.2012, 19:23
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I can agree with you...Even though I understand the need for people to run across the border to shop it seems so demeaning in a way. People want the Swiss quality of life but do not want to pay for it. I don't know anyone who jumps across the border to shop. After the travel there, shopping, coming back, and so on, are people really saving?

I guess if I want to buy a Cartier watch for 25,000chf and they have it in Germany for 19,000 it may be worth it. But for little tidbits and the like it seems so tedious and, well, tacky. I have a friend who owns an advertising agency he would never consider running across the border to buy meats and bread...lol Maybe it is a certain income bracket that does this? I cannot see a CEO running to Germany or France to buy a slab of meat, cheese, and a bottle of wine. But like I mentioned earlier I understand why others do it, but "to me" it seems somewhat indignant. I value my time more...
Indeed.

If I go shopping in Italy, it's generally to purchase certain (mainly food) items that I can't easily find here, or motorcycle parts (though it can often be cheaper to buy them online from the US, despite their being made in Italy! )

As we frequently go to Italy to visit family or friends, we do our shopping then, we really don't do special shopping trips there very often.

But, I really don't think we save anything, we just buy stuff that we probably wouldn't have bought here, there are cheeses in Italy that make Swiss prices seem cheap!

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Old 15.04.2012, 19:29
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Well, starting salary of 3K per month means the only fun they can afford to have is taking the pi** out of people passing through

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One of the trainee Zollnerin's pulled a gun on my Ex as she was opening her own front door, aparantly the Zollnerin had said 'Halt' which she ignored.
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Old 15.04.2012, 19:35
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Sbrinz please, this magazine is utter garbage....you've posted a link to the magazine pertaining a very similar topic before and it was incorrect. They mentioned, that a price driving factor are nicer stores. Because the Swiss appreciate nice stores.....really?! When my friend from Slovakia came to visit me, he told me, that shopping in Switzerland reminded him of Slovakia in the 80s.
Well the complete article is supporting research carried out by a business professor in Fribourg Switzerland. He claims that we should have lower prices here than in Germany, as employers here pay less social security, and we pay less sales tax. He did mention that Coop and Migros spend more on making their shops more attractive with wider aisles, and thus higher rents. Anyway, please don't dismiss the article out of hand, it is a very respected consumer magazine, has never been faulted (Apart from your jealous visitor) and anyway, you haven't provided anything factual to back up your statement.

I was visiting Dresden, in DDR for Easter in 1988 before the wall came down, and I can assure you the big supermarket shop in Dresden was dire! There were several broken milk cartons not cleaned up, the only fruit was 1987 shrivelled apples, expensive meat, plain clothes store detectives operating inside the store, but the beer was good & cheap.
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Old 15.04.2012, 19:47
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

After arriving here last August, I figured I would make the trip to do a big shop in Germany about once a month. As we live about an hour to the border, I couldn't imagine doing it much more frequently. As it turns out, I haven't done it once. Oh, I lie, I did take the kids one day over the Christmas break to Konstanz - and they even got to eat at Subway

Now, DH has had several trips to Germany where I have had him pick up diapers or the good night bottle drinks (4 CHF here, 1,69€) but otherwise I figure it hasn't yet been worth my time or effort. We have also been to the MIL a few times so I stock up on items I can't easily find here - but I usually am not buying things that I can find here at COOP or Migros...

However, if I lived closer to the border, say 30 minutes or closer, I would probably shop more frequently in Germany. I had to laugh the day I went shopping in Konstanz with the kids and was so amazed and happy with all the shopping possibilities. I used to think Germany was the dole-drums of shopping when I lived there. It is all a matter of perspective!
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Old 15.04.2012, 21:17
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Are they checking IDs/passports or are they just checking for imported goods?
both - they have been conducting ID and shopping-bag checks all day every Friday and Saturday about 1km from the small border crossing near Gottlieben. This has been going on for about 8 weeks now.

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There's a Migros opening in Müllheim this week, the 19.04 if I recall. Don't know if that's any good for you, but maybe Müllheim is on your route and gives you more options.
unfortunately, Müllheim's about the same distance from here as Weinfelden.

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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

Post Schengen, I've never had my passport controlled (or any ID).

Last time, pre Schengen, my wife to be was living in Stabio near the border (100m or so), and we went for a walk after dinner, next thing a customs 4x4 comes rushing up (this on a dirt road in the woods near the border), and asks us for ID and what we're doing! I hand them both of our Swiss IDs and say "taking a walk after dinner, what does it look like?"

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A few years ago, visiting my parents when I still lived in UK - was asked for my papers, and the guy was not local and didn't know who I was. He was quite suspicious, local Swiss accent, British passport and driving licence - and a car from Zug or somewhere (hired at Geneva airport). 'To the side and wait' he said, and walked away to check my documents. Then quizzed me about the purpose of my visit, so said I was visiting my parents. 'Where do they live?' - so pointed out to the house. 'Oh you are Mr X's daughter, who lives in the UK? So sorry, blablabla' - he's never stopped me since and taps his hat as I go past.

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My Ex lived on the border, one day I got controlled driving the car into France to park,.
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Post Schengen, I've never had my passport controlled (or any ID).
Hey, I thought you two guys were native English speakers! You've obviously been here too long
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Exactly! Without the higher wages there is no way they can afford to pay those higher Swiss prices! They would have to go and live in France.

Interestingly, many retail workers in Basel live in France.

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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

The thing that makes me chuckle when I'm in Loerrach or Saint Louis on a Saturday are the cars queuing in the car park. If you can afford a BMW or a Merc you can afford food in Switzerland..
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The thing that makes me chuckle when I'm in Loerrach or Saint Louis on a Saturday are the cars queuing in the car park. If you can afford a BMW or a Merc you can afford food in Switzerland..
Decisions, decision, decisions my friend.
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The thing that makes me chuckle when I'm in Loerrach or Saint Louis on a Saturday are the cars queuing in the car park. If you can afford a BMW or a Merc you can afford food in Switzerland..
Exactly!!!

I don't go shopping outside Ch. At least this is what I can do about preserving a certain life style ... Ok, you can call me "naive".
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Exactly! Without the higher wages there is no way they can afford to pay those higher Swiss prices! They would have to go and live in France.

Interestingly, many retail workers in Basel live in France.

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So higher Swiss wages drive higher Swiss prices?

Then let us look at the maths!

For example a Swiss supermarket employs say 10 people. Assume they are paid 4K chf per month versus 2KCHF per month over the border.

So the extra salaries cost 10*(4K-2K) = 20K CHF per month. The average supermarket carries 30,000 different items. So the additional cost is 20K/30K = roughly 0.7 Chf per item. Clearly wages are not driving higher costs.
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So higher Swiss wages drive higher Swiss prices?

Then let us look at the maths!

For example a Swiss supermarket employs say 10 people. Assume they are paid 4K chf per month versus 2KCHF per month over the border.

So the extra salaries cost 10*(4K-2K) = 20K CHF per month. The average supermarket carries 30,000 different items. So the additional cost is 20K/30K = roughly 0.7 Chf per item. Clearly wages are not driving higher costs.
You don't even have to use theoretical numbers. In the link I proved above it explains that salaries makes a total of 14% of costs.



So if you just subtract 14% of the prices you have the price if the employees were working for free. If it is 2 to 3 times the price as in neighbouring countries then the price clearly has no connection to salaries. Heck if you subtract 40% of prices you have the cost of getting the product. If this is also considerably higher than the cost in other countries someone is clearly taking the piss.

And anyway as shown here



Swiss cost 8 Fr more per hour but productivity is 11 Fr higher here than in Germany. So wages clearly has no role to play in the high prices and is just a lazy excuse
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Great business for them, too - they've never caught that many smugglers from Zurich and St. Gallen. On the other handy, they seem to be in violation of the Schengen treaties here as they have started to conduct systematic border checks again in Thurgau.
Schengen is about the persons but not about the merchandise.
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

I still don't see the big deal about driving so far (from Zug) to bring back a piddly amount of meat and wine and just 300 chfs of shopping per person. It will take a day instead of an hour to do the shopping and use a tank of petrol. Life is too short to spend it driving all that way just to save money on groceries!
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I still don't see the big deal about driving so far (from Zug) to bring back a piddly amount of meat and wine and just 300 chfs of shopping per person. It will take a day instead of an hour to do the shopping and use a tank of petrol. Life is too short to spend it driving all that way just to save money on groceries!
1. You can import goods well above any 300CHF limit. You may have to pay Swiss taxes/duties (2.5% for most groceries, 8% for other items). Given that you usually get back German tax at 7%/19% it still leaves you with a net saving.
2. Even with Swiss duties on alcohol my German/Alsacian Riesling or Bavarian beer is still a bargain compared to what I am charged here for the same stuff (if I am lucky enough to find it).
3. Some people are regularly in Germany anyway. No extra fuel consumed, no quality time wasted, no harm to the environment done either.
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