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Old 16.04.2012, 07:46
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Schengen is about the persons but not about the merchandise.
Exactly. Doing systematic ID checks is no longer allowed due to the Schengen contracts. That doesn't seem to keep the border patrol from doing them anyway. They were successfully sued for that before and I guess it's about time someone sues them again.
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Old 16.04.2012, 10:35
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

I'm all for supporting the local economy, but at the end of the day, I'm a guy supporting a family on an average salary, and need to do whatever is necessary/possible to keep the ship afloat. If I can buy things in Germany that are 2 or 3 times cheaper, then I'll obviously do it.
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Old 16.04.2012, 11:28
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Alas, nothing I buy is more than 10-20% cheaper outside of CH, so what exactly do you buy that is 2 - 3 time cheaper?

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Old 16.04.2012, 11:31
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Alas, nothing I buy is more than 10-20% cheaper outside of CH, so what exactly do you buy that is 2 - 3 time cheaper?
I take it you don't use deodorant, don't have kids and are a vegetarian.
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Old 16.04.2012, 11:40
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Alas, nothing I buy is more than 10-20% cheaper outside of CH, so what exactly do you buy that is 2 - 3 time cheaper?

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No, for sure not everything is 2-3x cheaper, but some things are. Just off the top of my head a few things I can name:

------------------Switzerland ----------- Germany
Dr.Otkers pizza --------6 CHF ----------2.50EUR
Garnier Hair Dye-------18CHF-----------6 EUR
McCains French Fries---6CHF-----------2 EUR
Fa Soap (1 bar)--------1 CHF-----------0.30 EUR
Box Frozen pretzels-----5 CHF----------2 EUR

Of course meat is much cheaper in Germany as well. Other things like drinks and fruits/veges are about the same price. You really need to look in the stores in Germany and find out what exactly is much cheaper. If you shop for mainly these items, you can save quite a bit of money. I really have no clue why, for example, a bar of Fa soap costs 1 CHF in Switzerland (Müller) and I can buy the same exact bar of soap in Kaufland (Germany) for 2-3 times cheaper

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McCains Fries in Germany: 1.11 EUR for a bag (normal price 1.69 EUR):
http://www.kaufland.de/Home/01_Angeb.../index.jsp#top

Same bag at Coop 6CHF:
http://www.coopathome.ch/b2c_coop/ap...0000000A030109
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

I remember reading that the head of Manor was appealing to the Swiss government for better opening hours, prices etc. in order to compete with over the border shopping. I recently happened to pop in to a Manor food store and noticed the prices were remarkably lower than COOP with a much better selection and service!

I vowed to shop there anytime I buy my food goods in Schweiz. At least one of the vendors is paying attention and putting better practices into action.
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Old 16.04.2012, 11:50
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I take it you don't use deodorant, don't have kids and are a vegetarian.
We eat meat pretty much daily, but it's only 20% or so cheaper in Italy.

My kids eat the same things I do.

And I buy deodorant on sale.

I don't buy frozen french fries, frozen pizza, frozen pretzels or hair dye.

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Old 16.04.2012, 11:55
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Alas, nothing I buy is more than 10-20% cheaper outside of CH, so what exactly do you buy that is 2 - 3 time cheaper?

Tom
Swiss consumer magazines regularly have a Swiss/German price comparison page and it's not uncommon for there to be a 200-600% price hike for Switzerland compared with Germany for certain products.

The biggest savings seem to be for non-Swiss cleaning and hygiene products.
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

Basically, if you live abroad, you have to adapt to survive, in more ways than one. One of the first is to learn how to change habits to use produce and products which are good value where you live. If you insist on using all the produce of 'back home' be it when on holiday, or more importantly where you now live - you are screwed. It's called using your loaf and a bit of common sense. On my salary of £11.50 a week in London for a full time-job, with £7.00 in rent, and about £3.00 in transport to and from work- I would have died if I'd insisted on having Gruyères cheese on my cheese on toast
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I really have no clue why, for example, a bar of Fa soap costs 1 CHF in Switzerland (Müller) and I can buy the same exact bar of soap in Kaufland (Germany) for 2-3 times cheaper
What's even more instructive is a price comparison between the Migros in Lörrach (Germany) and the Migros in Riehen Dorf (Basel, Switzerland). They are separated by 3.3 km (8 minutes by car), and of course by the Swiss/German border. They sell the same (limited) range of goods, with the same Migros brands and Migros-contracted suppliers. Both advertise "Migros-Qualität", backed by graphics of the Swiss flag. And guess what? Even with the higher German sales taxes and other costs relating to transport and export, the prices in the Lörrach store are consistently lower than in the Swiss store.

So, apparently, when Migros has to operate outside the cosy confines of a lucrative cartel and comes under price competition, it's capable of reducing prices.

But it still seems incapable of offering a decent range of high-quality goods at reasonable prices. Fortunately, for that there's always Hieber.
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I still don't see the big deal about driving so far (from Zug) to bring back a piddly amount of meat and wine and just 300 chfs of shopping per person. It will take a day instead of an hour to do the shopping and use a tank of petrol. Life is too short to spend it driving all that way just to save money on groceries!
There's not much benefit in driving from Zug to Germany or France for a regular shopping trip.

Fortunately, many people in Switzerland live much closer to the border and for them it's a very viable, and sensible, option.
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I remember reading that the head of Manor was appealing to the Swiss government for better opening hours, prices etc. in order to compete with over the border shopping. I recently happened to pop in to a Manor food store and noticed the prices were remarkably lower than COOP with a much better selection and service!

I vowed to shop there anytime I buy my food goods in Schweiz. At least one of the vendors is paying attention and putting better practices into action.
I'll check it there then, not happy of driving to Germany, but happy if I can save something while shopping in ZRH!
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Old 16.04.2012, 12:29
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

I used to dream of earning £11.50 a week! You really had an easy life Odile!

With two bob we used to go out to the cinema, have 10 pints of bitter and still have change for a bag of chips on the way home - and the chippies gave out free fish batter bits.

For the rest of the week we used to live on handfuls of hot gravel.

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Alas, nothing I buy is more than 10-20% cheaper outside of CH, so what exactly do you buy that is 2 - 3 time cheaper?

Tom
I assume you are joking but anyway
http://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft/...o-id84406.html

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I love it when Coop says they slash prices:
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Bei Coop heisst es: «Mit Unilever sind wir auf dem Weg zur Einigung. Beim am Freitag kommunizierten Preisabschlag sind auch Rexona-Produkte enthalten», sagt Susanne Sugimoto-Erdös.
That means, what, instead of 5.90 CHF it will be 5.80 CHF? Woo-hoo
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I love it when Coop says they slash prices:

That means, what, instead of 5.90 CHF it will be 5.80 CHF? Woo-hoo
They should better be "auf dem Weg zur Einigung" with the consumers and not just with eachother because we, consumers, are by definition opportunistic just like the shops. Not less & not more if you know what I mean.
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I love it when Coop says they slash prices:

That means, what, instead of 5.90 CHF it will be 5.80 CHF? Woo-hoo
Sometimes not as much as that.

I vaguely remember a CO-OP advert saying that hundreds of their products were now 0.1% cheaper than Migros.
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Right. Come to Switzerland for the great quality of life (sic) and high wages (sic) but spend your money across the border. It's like biting the hand that feeds you.
Switzerland's "great quality of life" is subjective. Now that I've been here long enough to see the warts and pimples, I can really say that I had it better in the US -- health insurance and health care in the US, for starters, not to mention I never got harassed like I do here, and even the foreigners in my American community are made to feel a heck of a lot more welcomed than how any foreigner is made to feel anywhere in Switzerland.

High wages? No. Swiss wages, as far as I'm concerned, aren't that high. I have LESS disposible income in CH than I did in the US. In fact, it's been a lot harder to make ends meet since living here. Sure, I may have a higher salary, but it's not that much higher, and that "great quality of life" doesn't come cheap, and a lot of us on the EF have talked about the sacrifices we've made to downsize our lives in order to live here, simply because it does cost more.

So for all of that, I have to save money where I can. Which is why I go shop in Germany and when I'm back in the US I stock up on what I can, cram it all into a suitcase and haul it back to CH to try and make it last until the next visit.

The real irony here is that CH so desperately wants to remain independent of the surrounding Euroeconomy... but at the same time, pegs itself to and is dependent on the Euroeconomy. And whenever the discussion arises about going across the border, the Swiss natives rise up in an ire that anyone would dare to do so because it hurts Migros and Coop. Meh. so what? They hurt me a heck of a lot more when I shop there.
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The real irony here is that CH so desperately wants to remain independent of the surrounding Euroeconomy... but at the same time, pegs itself to and is dependent on the Euroeconomy.
...and then every time there's some mention of the Eurozone collapsing, nervous investors dump their money into the "safe-haven" Swiss-Franc, making it even stronger
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Exactly!!!

I don't go shopping outside Ch. At least this is what I can do about preserving a certain life style ... Ok, you can call me "naive".

thank you for helping the swiss economy and lifestyle for me (while i am shopping across the border just 10 mins away )

seriously, i bought a car just for shopping abroad and am paying for the lease with the amount i save just on groceries, so the car comes for free!
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