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Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

So...Coop, Migros and others think that by appealing to patriotism and the quality of goods they will convince the swiss to shop at home...

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business...l?cid=32476890
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

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So...Coop, Migros and others think that by appealing to patriotism and the quality of goods they will convince the swiss to shop at home...

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business...l?cid=32476890
Sorry but I am laughing at that letter, I have talked to several work friends that do this at least twice a month and there are far better off.
One person sold his car in Switzerland and then court a train to germany and returned the same day with a better car and money in the pocket.
I have a few friends that work for Migro's and ther salary is S"""T and they say shop with us.
Remember With COOP several months back there was a campain to sell all there items that they have bought in Germany, and sold here at a great price increase, this shows you they got court red handed.
As all the other shops like ALDI and the other are giving them a run for there money.
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

I laugh in their general direction. Poor Migros and Coop 30+% margin suffering a bit? Too bad. They can start by paying their staff better and then bring the prices down to about the EU levels.
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Old 13.04.2012, 23:45
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

Right. Come to Switzerland for the great quality of life and high wages but spend your money across the border. It's like biting the hand that feeds you.
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

My favourite quote is: Taking money out of the local economy affects wages, costs jobs and could erode the quality of Swiss goods as well as investment in environmental improvements, the campaign is claiming.

Yeah well taking jobs out of Switzerland affects wages, costs jobs and most definitely erodes the quality of Swiss goods as well as investment in environmental improvements.

I'm fully aware of the affects of globalisation. My company has outsourced most HR and IT departments to eastern Europe and Asia. I'm fully aware that should the people in other sites in the EU and Asia be able to do as good a job as us then my job would be gone as well. I realise and fully accept this and understand that companies want to get the most value for their money.

On the flipside though I'm showing the same loyalty to Swiss companies as they show to their employees and I'm also determined to get the most value for my money and not to increase the profits of some rip off companies.

And of course these companies like say Migros would never ever also move contracts for let's say printing materials to Germany....

My favourite part is the response from Migros: Das unter grösstem wirtschaftlichem Druck stehende Reiseunternehmen Hotelplan lässt seit Jahren aus Kostengründen im Ausland drucken

(Hotelplan who has been under highest commercial pressure has been printing for years abroad.)

So it's ok for Hotelplan to buy abroad cause they need to watch their expenses. Well hands up who can afford to pay twice the price for products due to businesses demanding the highest margins in Europe and manufacturers banning parallel imports and politics refusing to stop this.

On a side note I've recently moved. I needed a new place to change tires. I saw a place close to where I live which looked professional enough. I checked their website and saw that they refuse to mount new tires which were not bought there. Now I've never bought tires over the internet but I refuse to go somewhere who arrogantly say buy our overpriced tires or p... off. And this is very close to the border. Ironically enough I went somewhere else because of this and needed two new summer tires due to one being damaged. I would've bought them from the other place but due to them being arrogant brats Somewhere else got my money.
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

If anything, their campaign will make me WANT to buy from across the border...

I have a Swiss friend who farms his father's farm part time and in a recent conversation he told he gets paid for 100 kilos of wheat about the same as what I would pay for 1 kilo of flour. A rough back of the envelope calculation estimates that I would pay 250 CHF for 100 kilo flour for which he gets 2.50CHF. So where does most of the remaining 247.50 CHF end up? Not - as we have heard - in the pockets of the COOP and Migros employees? Could it be our old friend the cartel loving middleman? I seriously doubt that production, packing, shipping and salaries eat up ALL of those 247.50 CHF.

For this reason I buy directly from the farmer when I can as at least I know the money goes directly to the farmer. Furthermore, now that I have located some farmers (friends of my friend) who sell their own meat directly to the consumer, once I have persuaded them to cut the meat correctly, they'll be getting my custom.

As we know supermarkets are great at gouging out profits, but the UK supermarkets could learn a thing or two from Migros and COOP.

Bottom line - support your local farmer and buy non comestibles from the EU...

DOWN WITH SHOPPING TYRANNY, SMASH THE CARTELS... ahem, sorry I got a bit carried away there...

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Old 14.04.2012, 00:08
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Right. Come to Switzerland for the great quality of life and high wages but spend your money across the border. It's like biting the hand that feeds you.
While many Swiss complain about high housing prices and lack of green areas and over filled transport system while bitching about the cross-border workers taking their wages back home. Let's see how that would look with extra 258k + family people living here. They should be careful what they wish for.

Besides your just jealous that you can't profit as you live in the innerschwiiz
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

I'd love to buy locally, but heck, it's so expensive, very noticeable when you buy all you need for a family.

Sorry but this are the market forces in action: same things, same brands, different prices, people will get the cheapest and that's it.
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

Before they start trying to convince cross border shoppers to stop they need to match quality to price, as it currently stands the quality in most neighbouring countries much better matches the quality.

If the argument is that swiss goods are superior then those of germany then they already have a flawed argument. Add the swiss prices for what is effectively identical goods and is it any wonder people look elsewhere!
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Before they start trying to convince cross border shoppers to stop they need to match quality to price, as it currently stands the quality in most neighbouring countries much better matches the quality.

If the argument is that swiss goods are superior then those of germany then they already have a flawed argument. Add the swiss prices for what is effectively identical goods and is it any wonder people look elsewhere!
Exactly. Rather than this pathetic campaign they should rather give us facts which we can verify and explain why everything is so expensive here. I'm not talking about the lazy arguments of higher wages for example where I can link to studies which disproves this. Rather I'm talking about saying why a product is so much more expensive here and where that extra money goes to. For example it is often said that the conditions for animals are much better here. I don't know how and in what way that it justifies the price increase. I would like to know though. I think consumers here may be then more tolerant towards Swiss prices.
I would also like to know why beauty products are so much more expensive but electronic products are generally cheaper here.

If companies are able to justify the higher prices with facts and statistics then I think we would be more understanding. At the moment Nearly all if not all independent analysts say prices and the margins in Switzerland are too high and regarding this patriotism angle most companies are massive hypocrites
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Right. Come to Switzerland for the great quality of life and high wages but spend your money across the border. It's like biting the hand that feeds you.
Sorry, but I don't buy this... Mrs TD and I don't have kids, so as we both work we get taxed quite heavily with no benefits (as would be the case with a family) house, car and health are all covered by SWISS insurances and I use SWISS public transport or drive my car on SWISS petrol... I'm hardly depriving Switzerland of the opportunity to acquire some of my cash, even if I do do some cross border or Internet shopping.

As said earlier, I buy local when I know that the money goes directly to the farmer (or tradesman), but when it comes to paying inflated prices for mass produced items widely available across Europe, I flatly refuse. A small difference to EU prices to account for different salaries and other costs I'd accept, but many multiples of the EU cost??? It offends my sense of fairness
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

Much of Aldi and Lidl products have a Swiss flag on the wrapping, yet they are still much, much cheaper than Migros / Coop. Aldi bread comes from Thurgau and is excellent.

I used to drive 70 Km to France every Saturday, and four of us had a nice lunch with alcohol and then staggered around the supermarket buying anything!

The French supermarkets have a choice of 4 different onions (Red, white, yellow and the small oval ones) many more cheeses than here, lovely hams and patties, a beautiful fish selection (ever seen a conger eel or live crabs in Switzerland?), a large selection of fresh meats, inluding boar, goat, duck & lamb. All this is in the back end of France, but just behind La Chaux de Fonds.

Why can't our expensive Swiss supermarkets not sell us stuff like this in our cities? At Christmas I tried to buy a Capon in Bern, none to be found, "oi know what you want, but oi 'aven't got it" I go to St Louis and there are 20 Capons for sale!

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Very few items are better quality here and the prices are just ridiculous. Even Lindt chocolate made here is cheaper in Germany!
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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

Personally, i would be willing to overlook the crazy prices but not the terrible customer service. I regret the day i decided to buy my kitchen locally. 4 months wait for a basic kitchen and they got nothing right. Plus the attitude for being a foreigner.
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Much of Aldi and Lidl products have a Swiss flag on the wrapping, yet they are still much, much cheaper than Migros / Coop. Aldi bread comes from Thurgau and is excellent.

I used to drive 70 Km to France every Saturday, and four of us had a nice lunch with alcohol and then staggered around the supermarket buying anything!

The French supermarkets have a choice of 4 different onions (Red, white, yellow and the small oval ones) many more cheeses than here, lovely hams and patties, a beautiful fish selection (ever seen a conger eel or live crabs in Switzerland?), a large selection of fresh meats, inluding boar, goat, duck & lamb. All this is in the back end of France, but just behind La Chaux de Fonds.

Why can't our expensive Swiss supermarkets not sell us stuff like this in our cities? At Christmas I tried to buy a Capon in Bern, none to be found, "oi know what you want, but oi 'aven't got it" I go to St Louis and there are 20 Capons for sale!

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Hi, this is new to me (cos i normally goes to Divonne in France to shop).

Just check google map & via michellin, the La Chaux de Fonds is 70km but going to France is another 30km (Right), the La Sombaille is where the interface between Swiss and France which is 100km ??

Please clarify as i'm very tempting to try another French side. Any nice restaurant recommended?

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Re: Cross-border shoppers targeted by campaign

If Swiss products are so great, why do they need to import anything to sell it and why do the Swiss want anything non-Swiss?
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Right. Come to Switzerland for the great quality of life and high wages but spend your money across the border. It's like biting the hand that feeds you.
Sorry but your argument doesn't really hold water...

these companies would have you believe that by buying locally you benefit the local economy and thereby sustain the high quality of life here. my question is: the extra 50% that I pay a local shop - how does that benefit the local economy? all it does is sustain an inefficient business that cannot actually compete in the free market.

by shopping across the border, I keep that 50%, and have more to spend on other goods and services - the money still stays in 'this economy'. it just flows to the more efficient providers!

In short, i actually do the local economy a favor when I order my tires from Germany and they are delivered to my door, for half the price the local shop wants.
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by shopping across the border, I keep that 50%, and have more to spend on other goods and services - the money still stays in 'this economy'. it just flows to the more efficient providers!

In short, i actually do the local economy a favor when I order my tires from Germany and they are delivered to my door, for half the price the local shop wants.
Exactly. What most people don't seem to understand: all those inflated prices for imported goods are severely damaging the Swiss economy, because most of that money just flows out of the country without getting anything in return. The damage is much higher than those 5 billion allegedly 'caused' by cross border shoppers.

E.g. a big chunk of Swiss farmers' high costs is caused by inflated prices for imported machinery, pesticides, fertilizer, etc.

Does someone really believe that it benefits the Swiss economy when the purchase price for Swiss retailers is higher than the retail price in Germany?

This deplorable situation can only change if the customers put enough pressure on Swiss retailers and one of the ways to cause that much needed pressure is to shop across the border.
For added benefit one can buy more local goods and services with the saved money.

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From July 1st there will be a new CO2 tax on newly imported cars. This will amount to between about CHF 4'000 and CHF 1'500 per car and will be paid to a central government office. The new tax must be paid before the car is inspected, and this will add another level of bureacracy, to deter the private importer.
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This deplorable situation can only change if the customers put enough pressure on Swiss retailers and one of the ways to cause that much needed pressure is to shop across the border.
For added benefit one can buy more local goods and services with the saved money.
According to my simple brain, all this will affect the employees directly through lower wages or layoffs. One used to be proud of being a shop assistant and enjoy a wage that could still offer a good quality of life. I'd hate to see that idea get lost. Maybe that's why I'd rather do most of my shopping in Switzerland (and also because I live in the Innerschwyz).
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