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CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

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Justice Minister Simonetta Sommaruga said the move was part of a package of long-term measures to control the flow of people entering Switzerland amid pressure from political parties to limit immigration.

Under the decision taken on Wednesday, B resident permits for people from Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia as well as the three Baltic Republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia will be limited to just over 2,000 for a period of at least 12 months.

The measure was invoked under a safeguard clause of a bilateral treaty between the EU and Switzerland for the free movement of people. It will take effect from May 1 and be reviewed next April. lt can be extended until 2014 at the latest.
I suppose short term residence / work via L-permits are still possible.

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Old 18.04.2012, 21:07
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

Will this be a problem for people renewing their B permits?
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Will this be a problem for people renewing their B permits?
In the past when all B permits were restricted by quota no, so long as you had a job. I suspect as in the past it's only new permits .
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I suppose short term residence / work via L-permits are still possible.
I like Mrs Ashton, but if that lady thinks that the former Konsumenten-Schutz Chief here MISinterprets treaties, than she most have got something wrong. Mrs Sommaruga was voted into the Bundesrat on the basis of her successful managment of the Konsumentenschutz where she had to deals with the whole pack ranging frrom company lawyers to pressure groups and lobbyists. I have full trust into the abilities of Mrs Sommaruga. As the L-permits are not mentioned I presume that they are not changed.

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In the past when all B permits were restricted by quota no, so long as you had a job. I suspect as in the past it's only new permits .
Most likely, quotas refer to new applicants and not those already here and applying for an extension.

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Old 18.04.2012, 22:48
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

Mrs. Ashton did say that there will be repercussions.

Some stats about the migration flow from Swissinfo.

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At the end of December 2011 there were 1,772,279 foreigners in Switzerland, 3% more than the previous year, most of them from EU and European Free Trade Association (Efta) countries.
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In total, 142,471 people arrived (134,171 in 2010), while 64,038 left the country (2010: 65,523).
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The majority of new arrivals are Germans (+12.6%), followed by Portuguese (+11,1%), Kosovars (+8,9%), French (+4,4%) and Eritreans (+2,6%)
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Immigration from the EU-8 saw 4,700 people move to Switzerland between May 2011 - when immigration quotas applying to these countries was lifted - and the end of 2011. The increase over 2010 was 68.2%.
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Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons Switzerland – EU: Invocation of the Safeguard Clause with respect to the EU-8 States

Bern, 18.04.2012 - At its meeting today, the Federal Council has decided to invoke the safeguard clause provided for in the Agreement between Switzerland and the EU on the free movement of persons, applying it to the EU-8 Member States. As of 1 May 2012, category B residence permits granted to citizens of these countries will be subject to quotas. Furthermore, the Federal Council has decided to examine additional measures in the domain of accompanying measures and on the issue of integration.

Ever since quotas were abolished on 1 May 2011, citizens of the Central and East-European EU-8 [1] Member States have enjoyed unrestricted free movement rights. The safeguard clause foreseen in the Agreement on the free movement of persons (AFM) allows Switzerland to unilaterally re-introduce quotas for persons from the EU-8 countries up until the year 2014 provided that in a given year the number of residence permits and/or short-term residence permits for job seekers from the EU/EFTA States exceeds the average of the previous three years by at least 10%. In the case of the category B residence permits granted to citizens of the EU-8, the conditions for the imposition of quotas were fulfilled over the period running from May 2011 through April 2012, although not for short-term residence permits (category L permits) [2]. A quota of some 2,000 category B permits, as provided for in the AFM, is to be imposed beginning on 1 May 2012 and is to remain in force for a year. Before the end of this 12-month period, the Federal Council is to make a new assessment of the situation and to decide whether or not to extend the imposition of quotas up until 31 May 2014. Past this date, unrestricted freedom of movement will apply to all citizens of the EU-25/EFTA States.

In weighing its interests, the Federal Council took into account the fact that the free movement of persons provides a good number of advantages to the Swiss economy. During the recession, immigration from the EU countries had a positive impact on consumer spending and construction investments, thereby leveraging the Swiss economy. More than 1.1 million citizens from the EU are living in Switzerland. Together with cross-border workers, they make a crucial contribution to the Swiss economy and to the creation and preservation of jobs.

Over the past months, however, the Federal Council has noticed that the complexity of the immigration theme necessitates a debate on measures in the domains of the job market (including accompanying measures) and integration, and that such a discussion must unfold taking into full account the considerations of economic policy.

In invoking the safeguard clause, the Federal Council is seeking to apply one of the means at its disposal to control the immigration flow into Switzerland. Nonetheless, the Federal Council also realizes that this instrument can only exert a short-term effect and that other, long-term measures are needed.

Along these same lines, the Federal Council has commissioned the Federal Department of Economic Affairs (FDEA) to develop concrete proposals to resolve the issue of non-compliance of subcontractors with minimum wage regulations and minimum working conditions. In addition, the Federal Council has mandated the FDJP and the FDEA to examine the possibility of having workers from all of the EU/EFTA States report their wages upon entry into Switzerland to take up employment, when completing the formalities of registration with the authorities.

Both of these assignments are in keeping with the spirit of the proposals made in the Economic Affairs and Taxation committees of the Council of States and the National Council within the frame of consultations on the adaptation of the Federal Act on accompanying measures.

In terms of fostering integration, the Federal Council has mandated the FDJP to examine whether an additional increase in the contribution of the Confederation is advisable in the light of immigration from the EU/EFTA space. Such an enhancement by the Confederation in the fostering of integration could unfold within the framework conditions that the Federal Council and the cantonal governments agreed to last year. Beginning in 2014, fostering of integration is to take place by means of cantonal integration programmes which are fine-tuned to the given situation of the individual canton and to the specific type of immigration.
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Old 18.04.2012, 23:11
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

Catherine Ashton's statement:

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I regret the decision taken today by the Swiss Federal Council to re-establish quantitative limitations for certain categories of residence permits for EU citizens who are nationals of eight of the EU Member States.

I consider this measure to be in breach of the Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons as amended by the Protocol of 2004. The agreement does not allow for any differentiation between EU citizens.

This measure is neither economically justified by the labour market situation nor by the number of EU citizens seeking residence in Switzerland
Seems that she believes that today's move was the result of political deal-making rather than true need. I wonder what sort of sanctions they could impose.
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Old 18.04.2012, 23:20
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I suppose short term residence / work via L-permits are still possible.
...so basically, eastern Europe.
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

As a Polish citizen on a B permit here, I find this news so bitter...
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Seems that she believes that today's move was the result of political deal-making rather than true need. I wonder what sort of sanctions they could impose.
Mrs Ashton apparently has not yet realized that the action of Mrs Sommaruga is based on papers SHE or others of the E.U. signed. Looks as if Mrs Sommaruga is now using some rights granted by the treaties in question.

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As a Polish citizen on a B permit here, I find this news so bitter...
So sorry. The countries "chosen" were those with whom Switzerland has no BIlateral treaties. Compare it to Italy or Spain. The Bilateral treaties signed between Switzerland and them would fill a library

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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

Hm, I was aranged everything for relocation in july. Now I wonder if it is possible.
Does anyone have information what was changed and what is procedure now to obtain B permit?
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

Reactions to the decision:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_ne...l?cid=32508946
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I suppose short term residence / work via L-permits are still possible.
About "I suppose short term residence / work via L-permits are still possible"

Ther article you quoted indicates the answer to your question is yes.

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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17764766

"The Swiss government has decided to re-impose immigration quotas on workers from central and eastern European Union (EU) countries.

Until last year, Switzerland had a quota of 2,000 residency permits per year for citizens of the so-called "A8" nations, which joined the EU in 2004.

The Swiss cabinet has decided to invoke a "safeguard clause" in its agreement with the EU on freedom of movement."


"Switzerland says that in the past year, since the quota lapsed, it has granted 6,000 permits to nationals of the eight countries - Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

It now plans to re-introduce a quota of 2,000 permits annually from 1 May."

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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

I read on an Estonian news site that this measure slashes the quota threefold - from 6000 permits/year from EU8 countries to 2000 permits/year. So there were limitations already before this new decision. I do not understand how can this 6000 permit/year rule is in accordance with the Agreement of Free Movement. Does free movement apply for the first 3 months and after that one needs a work permit?

As I'm from one of the countries affected by this measure and am supposed to relocate to Switzerland in summer, all this is making me a bit uneasy. The organization that is funding my stay states on their website that:
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Nationals of the EU-25/EFTA member states do not require a work permit. Within 14 days upon arrival in Switzerland and before commencing work for the new employers, they have to register with the local authorities and apply for a residence permit. A valid ID or passport and a written confirmation of employment or the contract of employment have to be presented. You can start this procedure after entering Switzerland
Based on this I have understood that getting the permit is merely a formality. However, as there seem to be quotas, am I to understand that after I move my family and life to Switzerland I could be denied a residence permit?
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

If you're wanting to read it, here is the link to the 2004 protocol they're referring to:

http://ec.europa.eu/world/agreements...&treatyId=3161

and the original treaty:

http://ec.europa.eu/world/agreements...e&treatyId=112
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

Oh dearie me, the government are actually legislating what the voters approved, that's pretty shocking. Bearing in mind that these new quotas are only valid until the end of 2013 we're talking about 500 or so people according to a report I heard on DRS radio last night.
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

Aside from the fact that this flies in the face of the EU concept entirely, if I was a citizen of an EU-8 country, then I wouldn't want to come to Switzerland anyway.

But hey... look at the bright side. It's still easier for you than it is for us non-EU citizen types.
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

I guess I would have no issues with it if the restrictions applied to all of EU. Tons of French and Germans come here each year. We all hear Swiss complaining about too many Germans but no restrictions are introduced.

This move is stupid and discriminatory. EU-8 had very good relations with CH but I guess the Swiss continue to believe they do not depend on anyone and take their arrogance and close-minded attitude to the next level. In a very stupid way!
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We all hear Swiss complaining about too many Germans but no restrictions are introduced.
Yep, because according to the word of the treaty it is too late for that. But please don't let facts get in the way of your argumentation
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Hm, I was aranged everything for relocation in july. Now I wonder if it is possible.
Does anyone have information what was changed and what is procedure now to obtain B permit?
Don't know for sure, but I imagine that it may be as it was even for EU folk before the 2004 agreements, which meant that you had to find a job first and get your prospective new employer to sponsor your application. It wasn't difficult, provided the employer could justify employing a foreigner instead of a Swiss. In most cases they simply had to show that they'd advertised and failed to fill the position here.
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