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Stop imagining. Nobody is hiring in life sciences (or related industries).
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Well, what are the professional education and professional experience of ex-Serrono employees ? I mean, their basic professional capabilities should allow them to accept work in a wider spectrum.

And then, your statement opens questions :
> is the economy in the Geneva region (I neither mean diplomats nor bankers) sooo badly off ?
> is the particular field of the industry in such a disastrous state ?

I mentioned Givaudan and Nestlé. They are not in "life sciences" but have a need for people with a good education and some experience in chemistry. Changes ahead indeed. Two or three Swissair pilots after 2001 became captains of major ships on the Lake of Zürich. They sure had to face some changes . Many Swissair people found work in other fields of the transport industry, often far away from what they had done before. But the capabilities they brought with them were widely appreciated.

I do not say that things are easy for the Serrono-Merck folks, I just say that most of them for sure will succeed.

AND, ever seen Darmstadt ? Who wants to change from Geneva to Darmstadt ?

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ideal locations for more UN bureaucrats
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well possible right you are by pointing to the likeliness that the three places will no longer be industrial, but either UN-related or banking-related or tourism-related (hotels). So that the development will also mean a very profound change for the areas around the three places.
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Hubbie's in research, so the above just isn't not true.

It might be OK for the young bloods with no family, able to up sticks and move to the States or Germany, but for those of us who are at the stage of 'coasting' towards what was supposed to be a well-earned retirement it's cataclysmic.
While I cannot really give useful advice as my knowledge of chemical research is close to zero, I am fairly confident that there should be jobs around for a researcher. He might contact Geneva University which has not only good research departments but also employs outside researchers who work at home. I know because my cousin in Coppet for years worked for Geneva University and after retirement as freelance for them. Cannot say anything about details as it is not my field
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While I cannot really give useful advice as my knowledge of chemical research is close to zero, I am fairly confident that there should be jobs around for a researcher. He might contact Geneva University which has not only good research departments but also employs outside researchers who work at home. I know because my cousin in Coppet for years worked for Geneva University and after retirement as freelance for them. Cannot say anything about details as it is not my field
Left Geneva University a long time ago, top of his grade with no possibility of advancement at 40!
Working from home isn't an option either as my house is too small for all the equipment required.....
Early days, we'll have to see how things pan out over the next few months.
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Re: Merck Serono layoffs - up to 900 redundancies in Geneva

Here's the official new release from Merck.

http://news.merck.de/N/0/551E28BD41D...e/Fit-MS-e.pdf
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Well, what are the professional education and professional experience of ex-Serrono employees ? I mean, their basic professional capabilities should allow them to accept work in a wider spectrum.

And then, your statement opens questions :
> is the economy in the Geneva region (I neither mean diplomats nor bankers) sooo badly off ?
Not just yet... but it's coming.

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I'm going to say it again in case it wasn't clear the first time. There isn't an awful lot of chemical and molecular research in Geneva... and what little there is - well they aren't hiring. And with the demise of Merck it's unlikely they'll survive either as many of them did contract work.

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I mentioned Givaudan and Nestlé.
You did. Givaudan isn't hiring, Nestlé isn't hiring in these specific fields.

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Two or three Swissair pilots after 2001 became captains of major ships on the Lake of Zürich. They sure had to face some changes .
I'm sure that's a relevant example... three out of how many?

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Many Swissair people found work in other fields of the transport industry, often far away from what they had done before. But the capabilities they brought with them were widely appreciated.
Molecular research is a lot more specialised than "Swissair capabilities" and there's a lot less of it around.

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well possible right you are by pointing to the likeliness that the three places will no longer be industrial, but either UN-related or banking-related or tourism-related (hotels). So that the development will also mean a very profound change for the areas around the three places.
Whoever is pointing that out has no idea of the costs associated with turning a lab into either an office or a hotel...

But for the clueless out there:

UN does not grow (they hardly have cash to renovate the legacy building).

Swiss banks face huge revenue pressure and will lay off another ca 20% of staff this year and next so unlikely they'll buy a molecular research lab and turn it into a client reception area.

Hotels... yes... sure... heck even a space research center, why not.
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Re: Merck Serono layoffs - up to 900 redundancies in Geneva

What Shorrick says is true, my GF has PhD in molecular biology (which may or may not be exactly same as these guys, but it's at least pretty close) and in Romandie finding job in her field is PAIN. It took her a year and she ended up in Bern (but with truly position she wanted). She had few interviews during that year, but no more than 5. Of course dozens of other (very good) applicants competed for every job. And there weren't so many applications either.
So no, Romandie has very little absorbing power for this amount of people.
And this field is not like banking or IT, where you can switch focus relatively easily. Once you don't have a lot of experience with AIDS research, you will not get a place on one. And so on...
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Hotels... yes... sure... heck even a space research center, why not.
i second the motion to build a space center!
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What Shorrick says is true, my GF has PhD in molecular biology (which may or may not be exactly same as these guys, but it's at least pretty close) and in Romandie finding job in her field is PAIN. It took her a year and she ended up in Bern (but with truly position she wanted). She had few interviews during that year, but no more than 5. Of course dozens of other (very good) applicants competed for every job. And there weren't so many applications either.
So no, Romandie has very little absorbing power for this amount of people.
And this field is not like banking or IT, where you can switch focus relatively easily. Once you don't have a lot of experience with AIDS research, you will not get a place on one. And so on...
IMHO one of the key issues for any career is mobility. You wouldn't believe me if I listed all the countries I have worked in.
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IMHO one of the key issues for any career is mobility. You wouldn't believe me if I listed all the countries I have worked in.
Well, lucky you.

Let me guess; young, single, no dependants.

Just you wait.
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Well, lucky you.

Let me guess; young, single, no dependants.

Just you wait.
Sorry but wrong on all counts. I am just willing to travel and adapt and my family have accepted that is the cost we have to pay.
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Well thanks, my second groan ever. Cowardly thing to do.
Lucky for you I don't believe in kicking people when they're down.
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Sorry but wrong on all counts. I am just willing to travel and adapt and my family have accepted that is the cost we have to pay.
Not having any roots is not necessarily without costs either.
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Sorry but wrong on all counts. I am just willing to travel and adapt and my family have accepted that is the cost we have to pay.
In that case your family is almost certainly still young enough to do that. Things will change. We 'sacrificed' world travel for stability and our children's schooling.
Being part of what is I suppose the oldest working generation is different to the one I think you're in.
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Well thanks, my second groan ever. Cowardly thing to do.
Lucky for you I don't believe in kicking people when they're down.
Don't sweat it, wear the badge with pride..and come to our stitch and bitch, finally, we got a bunch of new guys!

I do have to say, though, in our GE/VD area, the work/housing situ is getting a lot worse than the worst people just had lately and thought it cannot get any "plus pire".
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Don't sweat it, wear the badge with pride..and come to our stitch and bitch, finally, we got a bunch of new guys!

I do have to say, though, in our GE/VD area, the work/housing situ is getting a lot worse than the worst people just had lately and thought it cannot get any "plus pire".
Seems to be a new person who groans a lot. Just my luck.
Never done it myself as I think it's a mean thing to do....

Housing in Geneva is terrible at the moment, and sadly any planned building is being slowed down due to planning restrictions.
As for jobs... argh might be a reasonable response!

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Nope. But I found that your post was conveying its fair share of condescendence towards the private sector.
I've never made a secret about my disdain for corporations, particularly as I've been a first-hand witness to over-the-top greed and the wholesale sacrifice of ethics at the expense of employee and community well-being.
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In that case your family is almost certainly still young enough to do that. Things will change. We 'sacrificed' world travel for stability and our children's schooling.
Being part of what is I suppose the oldest working generation is different to the one I think you're in.
My groan was for the condescension in assuming we're much younger than you, when in fact we're not. You continue to make that same incorrect assumption.

IMHO worldwide travel is a prerequisite for a career in MNC's. Right or wrong, but there it is.
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Seems to be a new person who groans a lot. Just my luck.
Never done it myself as I think it's a mean thing to do....

Housing in Geneva is terrible at the moment, and sadly any planned building is being slowed down due to planning restrictions.
As for jobs... argh might be a reasonable response!

Stitch and bitch; well, I've got something to bitch about now, haven't I!
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Wedn, 7pm, Starbux at Quai de Bergues. I will, but at around a wee bit after 8pm. Come!
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Seems to be a new person who groans a lot. Just my luck.
Never done it myself as I think it's a mean thing to do....
Get over yourself, and don't treat anything on the internet as personal.

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