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danny 30.04.2012 16:48

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 1546457)
Make that over 48 in the film business.

I thought the directors worked until 79.

Shorrick Mk2 30.04.2012 17:00

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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 1548772)
a bit off topic but what happened to Geneva to make it start falling behind Zurich in terms of infrastructure and general quality of life?

Socialism.

MusicChick 30.04.2012 17:11

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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 1548792)
Socialism.

I wouldn't even call it that.

Entitlement.

Anjela 30.04.2012 17:56

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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 1548774)
you mean that you will now have to leave Geneva? That is terrible, after making your home there.

It gets complicated as although he works in Geneva about ten years ago we moved into France-voisine; housing was at a stand-still in Geneva, we were having terrible problems with neighbours in our appartment building and the solution was to move a few kilometres across the border into France which allowed us to buy a house.
This was intended to be mortgage-free by the time he retired in three years time and would have enabled us to stay near our family if we chose to do so. However, we invested all our savings into it as well as a large chunk of the 3ième pillier and it now seems that we won't be able to pay off the remaining mortgage and will be forced to sell.
All our life insurances are in Swiss policies and we will have to cash these in at a lose as we're not allowed to hold them without an address or employment in Switzerland.
Our health insurances will also become void after the end of his job.
The french chomage (RAV) pays nothing like the 80% we would have be entitled to if we had stayed in Geneva proper and continued to rent.
At the moment the only solution seems to be that we sell up and return to the UK after thirty plus years here.
We're 'lucky' in that I inherited my mother's house there around the time we moved, so at least we have somewhere to go. But it's not what we wanted. I love my sons desperately and can't stand the thought of being so far away from them. As for my grand-daughter; words fail me.

Dack Rambo 30.04.2012 18:14

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So sorry to hear that. You are indeed in a tough situation. I lost my job while living in Geneva, luckily I hadn't moved across the border. Many people who move to France voisine in search of better / cheaper housing overlook what a huge problem they will have if they ever become unemployed.

Dack Rambo 30.04.2012 18:16

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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 1548792)
Socialism.

So Geneva did not have so may socialist politicans before the 80's? How come they became so popular? People do vote for them so I guess there must be reasons behind it.

fatmanfilms 30.04.2012 18:28

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Originally Posted by danny (Post 1548781)
I thought the directors worked until 79.

Possibly 1 film every 5 years, it does happen to a few lucky ones!

Anjela 30.04.2012 18:28

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@Dack Rambo: Yes it's a problem and a gamble that we thought we'd got away with! One of the other reasons for moving was the way we were treated by the Geneva authorities over the redundancy package from Glaxo, surtaxation on our rent being one of them.

Did you know that in the seventies and well into the eighties Geneva had a communist mayor?!

Shorrick Mk2 30.04.2012 18:45

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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 1548850)
So Geneva did not have so may socialist politicans before the 80's? How come they became so popular? People do vote for them so I guess there must be reasons behind it.

It did have socialist politicians but there was less money to spend. However since the 80'es the canton has gone all-out with imbalanced fiscal policy (5% of the taxpayers cover 50% of the tax budget... and about 50% of the taxpayers don't contribute anything) and runaway debt (we have more debt than Zurich ffs).

With the avalanche of "free" money channeled via various type subsidies, the socialists have become more and more popular.

Of course the right of centre alternative isn't any brighter with morons like Eric Stauffer :mad:

Then again, considering we're Latins we have a natural inclination towards working less and spending other people's money :D

Guest 30.04.2012 18:46

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Dear Anjela- so sorry to hear this. At least you have a place to go to in a beautiful part of the UK - and not far from Heathrow or Luton for cheap flights back to Geneva. Skype is another wonder of the world for keeping up with grand-children - and I am sure little one will love to visit you and vice-versa, for holidays and so on. My heart goes out to you.

Anjela 30.04.2012 18:57

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Dear Anjela- so sorry to hear this. At least you have a place to go to in a beautiful part of the UK - and not far from Heathrow or Luton for cheap flights back to Geneva. Skype is another wonder of the world for keeping up with grand-children - and I am sure little one will love to visit you and vice-versa, for holidays and so on. My heart goes out to you.
My belovèd Mother (gods rest her) left me the house knowing how stuck I would be if ever I needed an escape plan. I just wish Skype had existed when she was still alive, I think of her every day and although she visited us once or twice a year she missed her grandchildren terribly.

The long-term plan was/is to move further north where housing is cheaper so I suppose access to Manchester Airport would be our ideal. At the moment we come and go via Luton, and there is a direct bus from there to Oxford. Once the in-laws house is sorted and sold we'll have a better idea of where we stand.

Dack Rambo 30.04.2012 19:11

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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 1548881)
Then again, considering we're Latins we have a natural inclination towards working less and spending other people's money :D

Let's hope Angela Merkel doesn't read this!

fatmanfilms 30.04.2012 19:19

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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 1548835)
The french chomage (RAV) pays nothing like the 80% we would have be entitled to if we had stayed in Geneva proper and continued to rent.
.

Why not rent in Switzerland, does not have to be Geneva? then you will get Swiss unemployment pay, & can retain all your Swiss insurances. The French home will become your residance secondare.

Dack Rambo 30.04.2012 19:21

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 1548914)
Why not rent in Switzerland, does not have to be Geneva? then you will get Swiss unemployment pay, & can retain all your Swiss insurances. The French home will become your residance secondare.

definitley not the worst idea I ever heard. Is this an option for you Anjela?

fatmanfilms 30.04.2012 19:37

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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 1548917)
definitley not the worst idea I ever heard. Is this an option for you Anjela?

It seems to fulfill all the requirements, the only downside is the cost of renting a small apartment & 'living' there.

Guest 30.04.2012 20:00

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What a brilliant idea - you could just rent a studio in Vallée de Joux or even here, where rents are very low.

I actually know people who own apartments which are empty right now- so could arrange a contract in a jiffy.

ARC_VD 30.04.2012 21:56

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IMHO Geneva and Vaud's problems steem from the fact that these cantons were in severe economic crisis during the 90's when Zurich and other swiss german cantons were doing not so bad, that created a serious burden on the budgets of these romand cantons that had to be fought via higher taxes and in the long-term this has provoked companies leaving those cantons and a vicious circle, the only solution is for politicians to understand that they need to lower corporate and personal taxes to gain more revenues but that creates a deficit in the short and medium term they can't afford right now, but they should do it if they don't want to continue losing business to other cantons.

Although I have to add that actually la romandie has been growing faster and creating more jobs than their german counterpart for more than a decade, but the 90's crisis is still felt and it also has France and its higher unemployment rate as neighbour instead of Baden-Wûrttemberg.

Wollishofener 01.05.2012 02:23

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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 1548772)
a bit off topic but what happened to Geneva to make it start falling behind Zurich in terms of infrastructure and general quality of life? I have heard comments similar to yours above from other people.

You see the difference. Zürich is generally painfully slow in regard to decisions and implementations, but once, something gets started it is carried through. And so, in the 1980ies, Zürich started to move ahead. The Raphael Huber scandal terminated the "ancien régime" in Zürich gastronomy and paved the way forward. And Zürich voters generally favour public transport and are ready to approve proposals.

The restaurants in Geneva have not declined, but gastronomy in Zürich has improved.

In about 1964, Cointrin had just been improved nicely, while projects in Zürich for the airport were just started to get built.

In the 1980ies, the shopping zone below Place Cornavin was partially open on Sundays, which no longer is the case, and had far better and nicer shops than now. Now, rail stations of Winterthur, Zürich, Luzern, Bern and Basel have nice 7days a wekk shopping zones

And finally, while statistics show Zürich to be as expensive as Geneva or more, the actual reality is that Geneva in most things is clearly more expensive than Zürich, with the noteable exception of WINES :D

Zch-HB went through various improvements in recent decades
> the tunnel to Stadelhofen gave it direct access to the eastern side of the Zürichsee
> the tunnel from Selnau gave it direct access to Sihltal and Uetliberg
> the "Bahnhof Landesmuseum" increased the capacity greatly
> and in about two years, there will be a kind of "Bahnhof-Dépendence" just below the Bahnhofplatz with through trains to the tunnel to Oerlikon
> the ZchHB-Thalwil Zimmerberg-Tunnel took the longdistance-trains away from Zch-Enge, which will be good for Zch-Enge in two years time
> Zch-Oerlikon station will be improved within two years, adding two tracks and increasing the number of S-lines from 7 to 12.
> the rail-station below Zch-Airport now is a very busy train-station with the trains going on towards the north-east --- while all trains to Cointrin not only go through Cornavin but fully terminate in Cointrin
> tram 10 now links Zch-downtown to the airport while tram 12 links Schwamendingen/Dübendorf via Glattzentrum-shoppingcentre to the airport also.
> 4 TGVs per day link ZürichHB with Paris
> 6 ICE per day link ZürichHB and Stuttgart
> more than 2910 train departures per day out of HB alone are not too bad for a city of even including outer suburbs less than 830'000 people :)

Wollishofener 01.05.2012 02:37

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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 1548850)
So Geneva did not have so may socialist politicans before the 80's? How come they became so popular? People do vote for them so I guess there must be reasons behind it.

Geneva in the 1950ies and 60ies had far more leftwingers in political office than later. And Geneva Social Democrats were in fact Socialists. Geneva in the 1970ies and 80ies moved towards the centre and even the political right, so that you can say that it was lack of socialism which was bad for Geneva.

I mean, when my Godfather (of Stein-am-Rhein origin) arrived in Geneva from Budapest in 1946 he was shocked a bit to see that politics in this city was so far leftwing then and into the 60ies and 70ies . Imagine that he fled from Budapest with his family after the Soviet army had moved west towards Vienna, by travelling via Romania and Bulgaria to Istanbul, from there first to Piraeus/Athens and from there by sea again to Barcelona and finally by sealed train from Barcelona to Switzerland. So that he had seen Communism advancing in the shadow of the Red Army, and was not in favour of harsh leftists :D

Wollishofener 01.05.2012 02:58

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Originally Posted by ARC_VD (Post 1549020)
IMHO Geneva and Vaud's problems steem from the fact that these cantons were in severe economic crisis during the 90's when Zurich and other swiss german cantons were doing not so bad, that created a serious burden on the budgets of these romand cantons that had to be fought via higher taxes and in the long-term this has provoked companies leaving those cantons and a vicious circle, the only solution is for politicians to understand that they need to lower corporate and personal taxes to gain more revenues but that creates a deficit in the short and medium term they can't afford right now, but they should do it if they don't want to continue losing business to other cantons.

Although I have to add that actually la romandie has been growing faster and creating more jobs than their german counterpart for more than a decade, but the 90's crisis is still felt and it also has France and its higher unemployment rate as neighbour instead of Baden-Wûrttemberg.

Reminds me of a schoolfriend who came in 1960 from Congo Léopoldville. His father was from Geneva and his mother from Zürich but he on arrival spoke ZERO German. They travelled to Geneva on SABENA (Such A Bloody Experience Never Again :p ) but there household was taken to Brüssels by the Belgian Air Force. His father searched for work first in Geneva but to no avail, and then in Zürich where he found a good job within a month. Sure, his driver no longer was waiting with the car in front of their own house, but a VBZ tram-driver whose tram nr 7 did not wait for the gentleman, and his mother had to do the washing and cooking etc all herself, and their home was simply a flat. F... who had in his first 10 years only seen Léopoldville did not exactly love winters overhere.


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