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23.04.2012 19:55

Merck Serono layoffs - up to 900 redundancies in Geneva
 
Any of you affected by this?

http://www.tdg.ch/economie/entrepris...story/20606493

up to 900 redundancies... :msncrazy:

fatmanfilms 23.04.2012 20:16

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Originally Posted by gva (Post 1544057)
Any of you affected by this?

http://www.tdg.ch/economie/entrepris...story/20606493

up to 900 redundancies... :msncrazy:

They used to be a good client!

Guest 23.04.2012 20:17

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One of my friends saw it coming and jumped first.

fatmanfilms 23.04.2012 20:32

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One of my friends saw it coming and jumped first.
It's been common knowledge for a long time, hardly a mega surprise as the CHF is so high.......
Trying to earn a living in the film business over the last 5 years has been like hitting your head against a brick wall, they can go to London, Paris or Munich for 60% of the overall cost, why use people living in CH.

Coconuts 23.04.2012 21:28

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 1544068)
They used to be a good client!

We tried to make them a client!

Anjela 24.04.2012 09:55

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Don't know how the Julie got hold of this.... the Town Hall meeting doesn't start for another five minutes. Panic.

Mowvich 24.04.2012 11:24

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UPDATE

From todays article, MS is totally closing Geneva site....1300 employees off :(

http://www.tdg.ch/geneve/actu-genevo...story/13912171

Anjela 24.04.2012 11:36

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Right, after 32 years it looks like we're out of here. B**ger. And no, that's not burger in case Grynch is watching.

grynch 24.04.2012 11:40

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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 1544398)
Right, after 32 years it looks like we're out of here. B**ger. And no, that's not burger in case Grynch is watching.

sorry to hear Anjela.

so it's true?.. they've pulled the plug on the whole place?

Guest 24.04.2012 11:46

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Oh Anjela, I'm so sorry to hear this.
Hope we meet soon. *hug* 32 years is a very long time.

Anjela 24.04.2012 11:51

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Yep, the lot. Possible transfers to be offered to 600 to Boston (US) Darmstadt and Beijing, 500+ others to lose their jobs in Geneva. Major lay-offs in Vaud too.
No more 'news' for three weeks until the official consultation period is over but not hopeful of anything but early retirement in Hubbie's case.

At least we've no longer got children still in school, as we had when Glaxo pulled the same trick.

Need a stiff gin, and bother doctor's orders!

A

Anjela 24.04.2012 11:52

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Oh Anjela, I'm so sorry to hear this.
Hope we meet soon. *hug* 32 years is a very long time.
Thanks Odile, think I need a hug right now!

grynch 24.04.2012 11:52

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really sorry to hear, enjoy your gin ( and have two for me )

:mad:

quark 24.04.2012 12:05

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A friend of mine started work there only last month :(

Best wishes to all those EFers affected.

hannah'sauntie 24.04.2012 12:34

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Oh gosh, sorry to hear this.
We had a bit of a scare when Alstom were talking redundancies, but touch wood, managed to ride the storm. I can't imagine how you are feeling Anjela.
Take care, hope you are okay, along with everyone affected by this.

KeinFranzösisch 24.04.2012 12:35

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*sad face*

Just out of curiosity, was Merck struggling in 2011 or did they pay out huge bonuses and say everything was going great and 2012 is going to be a good year?

Anjela 24.04.2012 12:39

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Originally Posted by hannah'sauntie (Post 1544477)
Oh gosh, sorry to hear this.
We had a bit of a scare when Alstom were talking redundancies, but touch wood, managed to ride the storm. I can't imagine how you are feeling Anjela.
Take care, hope you are okay, along with everyone affected by this.

Been semi-expecting it I think, but the whole place going is a huge shock. Déjà-vu again after what happened with Glaxo.

Just starting to hit home and after the terrible end of year we'd just had (lost both in-laws with a month of each other) we had been hoping for a better start to this one!

I'd like to comfort eat but my doctor would kill me! Doomed.....

grynch 24.04.2012 12:42

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kinda off topic but what happend to GVA ( original poster of this thread )

Anjela 24.04.2012 12:44

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Originally Posted by KeinFranzösisch (Post 1544478)
*sad face*

Just out of curiosity, was Merck struggling in 2011 or did they pay out huge bonuses and say everything was going great and 2012 is going to be a good year?

Both! Paid something like 20% to share-holders (who are mostly family mmbers I think), plus reasonable work-place bonuses a few weeks ago.
One of the problems has been the exchange rate, and not enough new products coming through that are anything like ready for the commercial market. When push came to shove the german unions were a lot stronger than the swiss government so as something had to give, it was us.

GVA, was he/she always a 'guest'? No idea where they went. A shame as I would like to know if they're affected as well!

grynch 24.04.2012 12:48

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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 1544488)

GVA, was he/she always a 'guest'? No idea where they went. A shame as I would like to know if they're affected as well!

no GVA .. he/she was a regular member... was still a member as of this morning I think.. and I thought the old suicide pill that was issued over terms and conditions had expired.

yes I was wondering also if he/she was affected by Merck

Guest 24.04.2012 12:59

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Sorry to hear that Anjela, as someone who works (sorta) in the same industry I feel your pain. *hug*

danny 24.04.2012 13:04

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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 1544484)
Been semi-expecting it I think, but the whole place going is a huge shock. Déjà-vu again after what happened with Glaxo.

Just starting to hit home and after the terrible end of year we'd just had (lost both in-laws with a month of each other) we had been hoping for a better start to this one!

I'd like to comfort eat but my doctor would kill me! Doomed.....

You mean production or the whole administrative set up in Geneva is leaving ?

Anjela 24.04.2012 13:15

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The whole of the Geneva set-up is closing by the end of the year.
Production in Vevey is continuing I believe but will be streamlined.

paysdoufs 24.04.2012 13:17

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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 1544488)
One of the problems has been the exchange rate, and not enough new products coming through that are anything like ready for the commercial market. When push came to shove the german unions were a lot stronger than the swiss government so as something had to give, it was us.

Really not meaning to be rude or anything (because this is really bad news for the entire Lake-Geneva-Region "pharma cluster" and affecting a hell lot of people outside MS as well), but... isn't that a huge euphemism?

Basically, my understanding was that once that Cladribin went down the drain, MS was basically caught with their pants down?

Anjela 24.04.2012 13:17

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Originally Posted by grynch (Post 1544491)
no GVA .. he/she was a regular member... was still a member as of this morning I think.. and I thought the old suicide pill that was issued over terms and conditions had expired.

yes I was wondering also if he/she was affected by Merck

That's what I'd thought, I normally notice if a poster is a 'guest' and wonder what they'd done to deserve it!

Anjela 24.04.2012 13:23

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Originally Posted by paysdoufs (Post 1544530)
Really not meaning to be rude or anything (because this is really bad news for the entire Lake-Geneva-Region "pharma cluster" and affecting a hell lot of people outside MS as well), but... isn't that a huge euphemism?

Basically, my understanding was that once that Cladribin went down the drain, MS was basically caught with their pants down?

Not quite sure what you mean by 'euphemism'. The only money making product they have on the markez is Rebif, which I think comes out of patent quite soon and there's nothing anywhere close to testing (let alone marketing) that can replace it. Things are there, but won't be salable for years. So instead of continuing with the research they're pulling the plug on everyone.

Shorrick Mk2 24.04.2012 13:30

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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 1544488)
Both! Paid something like 20% to share-holders (who are mostly family mmbers I think), plus reasonable work-place bonuses a few weeks ago.

Merck is a listed company, and the dividend payout equates to about 1.8%. Top holders aren't family.

Exchange rate, (too) high salaries, excessive real estate prices (10k CHF / sqm in Rolle... no, really?!) will slowly take their toll. This is just the beginning. Louis Dreyfus is leaving as well (albeit less officially).

ankur2130 24.04.2012 13:33

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They were our clients till last year, not the best ones but I'd never wish anything like this to anyone!
Tough times ahead....

runningdeer 24.04.2012 14:01

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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 1544542)
..., excessive real estate prices (10k CHF / sqm in Rolle... no, really?!) will slowly take their toll.

First, thoughts go out to you Anjela and anyone else affected by this.

But I find it quite bizarre that they must have invested millions if not billions in totally re-doing the Geneve Secheron site over the past few years, even still ripping and rebuilding as of last fall I believe. Now you have a whole brand new campus of prime GVA realestate that will be a ghosttown. Converting it to housing would be too logical for Geneva authorities though I believe.

Belgianmum 24.04.2012 14:11

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Wow Anjela I'm really sorry to hear this. We've been there and done that (more than once too) also in pharma so know what you're going through.

Have a stiff drink on me too. (and sod doctor's orders for today)

gva is a bit of a mystery. He/she had been pretty active recently.

Anjela 24.04.2012 14:20

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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 1544542)
Merck is a listed company, and the dividend payout equates to about 1.8%. Top holders aren't family.

Exchange rate, (too) high salaries, excessive real estate prices (10k CHF / sqm in Rolle... no, really?!) will slowly take their toll. This is just the beginning. Louis Dreyfus is leaving as well (albeit less officially).

If you say so, I don't know enough about it to do more than repeat what I've read in company newsletters.
But as the wife of a foot soldier I take exception to the (too) high salaries bit, it certainly isn't the case for a lot of us!

Shorrick Mk2 24.04.2012 14:25

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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 1544587)
If you say so, I don't know enough about it to do more than repeat what I've read in company newsletters.
But as the wife of a foot soldier I take exception to the (too) high salaries bit, it certainly isn't the case for a lot of us!

I meant it from the company viewpoint. You can hire a plain vanilla graduate in Geneva for 4'500 EUR - neighboring France or Germany you get someone out of the top schools for maybe half that. Same for real estate. At the end of the day it adds up and cannot last forever until the bean-counters notice it.

Anjela 24.04.2012 14:27

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Originally Posted by runningdeer (Post 1544569)
First, thoughts go out to you Anjela and anyone else affected by this.

But I find it quite bizarre that they must have invested millions if not billions in totally re-doing the Geneve Secheron site over the past few years, even still ripping and rebuilding as of last fall I believe. Now you have a whole brand new campus of prime GVA realestate that will be a ghosttown. Converting it to housing would be too logical for Geneva authorities though I believe.

A lot of the re-doing (as far as the original building is concerned) has been repair work to what was an experimental/environmental building in the first place.
There's been a lot of expansion into other preserved and renovated buildings on site and there's a huge hole by the entrance to the underground carpark that's supposed to be new office space or labs. The original building isn't suitable for converting to housing, large parts of it aren't really suitable for offices either as it was custom designed for laboratories.

Reginald 24.04.2012 15:25

Merck Serono drops Geneva bombshell
 
Biotech company Merck Serono is planning to close its Geneva headquarters in a move that will affect 1,250 jobs. Full details of the development are reported by journalist Malcolm Curtis.

rainer_d 24.04.2012 16:00

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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 1544594)
I meant it from the company viewpoint. You can hire a plain vanilla graduate in Geneva for 4'500 EUR - neighboring France or Germany you get someone out of the top schools for maybe half that. Same for real estate. At the end of the day it adds up and cannot last forever until the bean-counters notice it.


Hasn't this always been the case?
I thought it's a mixed calculation anyway: you pay much more for staff, rent (maybe a little less into the social network, due to the different cost-structure compared to Germany or France) and you get HUGE tax-writeoffs in the markets you actually sell the products in by having the other subsidiaries "buy" or "license" stuff from the Swiss branch at astronomical prices.

Guest 24.04.2012 16:54

Re: Merck Serono layoffs - up to 900 redundancies in Geneva
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gva (Post 1544057)
Any of you affected by this?

http://www.tdg.ch/economie/entrepris...story/20606493

up to 900 redundancies... :msncrazy:


And gva has turned into a guest very suddenly. That was quick!
Were you instrumental in that dreadful decision? Or a victim? :(

magic 24.04.2012 17:00

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And gva has turned into a guest very suddenly. That was quick!
Where you instrumental in that dreadful decision? Or a victim? :(
I think he was a victim as he mentioned somewhere else that his employment was not stable. Most probably reacted badly to the news even though he knew there was a high prospect of this happening.

Phil_MCR 24.04.2012 17:15

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Originally Posted by magic (Post 1544737)
I think he was a victim as he mentioned somewhere else that his employment was not stable. Most probably reacted badly to the news even though he knew there was a high prospect of this happening.

maybe the news resulted in a localised house price crash and he's gone off to buy a house?

Shorrick Mk2 24.04.2012 17:19

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Originally Posted by rainer_d (Post 1544687)
Hasn't this always been the case?
I thought it's a mixed calculation anyway: you pay much more for staff, rent (maybe a little less into the social network, due to the different cost-structure compared to Germany or France) and you get HUGE tax-writeoffs in the markets you actually sell the products in by having the other subsidiaries "buy" or "license" stuff from the Swiss branch at astronomical prices.

Yep, except the Swiss branch doesn't have anything left to "license" or "sell".

flavio 24.04.2012 17:41

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Originally Posted by Anjela (Post 1544535)
So instead of continuing with the research they're pulling the plug on everyone.

On everyone yes, on research not.
Trend in big Pharma: Joint Venture with (or buy) smaller & leaner researchers.
More bang for the buck with independent research.


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