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The Swiss ambassador to the EU has warned that the union is taking an increasingly aggressive stance against Switzerland amid deteriorating relations between Bern and some its closest allies.

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Re: Swiss-bashing hits new highs in EU: ambassador

Look at a map of Europe in 1940 and a map of Europe in 2012: striking similarity.

The EU is actually the fourth Reich, with only Switzerland, Norway and somehow the UK resisting.

This is a fascist monster built up by and for Germany, with collaboration from the French.
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Re: Swiss-bashing hits new highs in EU: ambassador

Switzerland - and hopefully the UK - will have the last laugh when the Euro crashes and the Union crumbles. I just hope the peoples of these nations remember self-sustainability.

History and current conditions, dictate that this is likely, and only those outside the Euro zone (US has it's own problems and an upcoming election), have half a chance of financial stability.
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Must be those pesky Swedes and Finns and Danes!!
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Look at a map of Europe in 1940 and a map of Europe in 2012: striking similarity.

The EU is actually the fourth Reich, with only Switzerland, Norway and somehow the UK resisting.

This is a fascist monster built up by and for Germany, with collaboration from the French.
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Re: Swiss-bashing hits new highs in EU: ambassador

I think it is a typical distraction technique.

The eurozone is in a terrible mess so the politicians are saying do not look at us - look at those terrible Swiss over there.

I rarely quote the Bible but they had it right with "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye"
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I think it is a typical distraction technique.

The eurozone is in a terrible mess so the politicians are saying do not look at us - look at those terrible Swiss over there.

I rarely quote the Bible but they had it right with "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye"
Are we talking splinters and planks here?
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Are we talking splinters and planks here?
Thick as a plank....
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I think that the North European countries plus Germany will try to save themselves, but maybe they will find that they created a monster which they cannot control, and from which they cannot escape.

If I were a leader of a European country, I'd start investing heavily in the military and ramping up military training, because it is quite likely that this will end the usual way...
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Guess this is a reciprocal agreement!


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I think that the North European countries plus Germany will try to save themselves, but maybe they will find that they created a monster which they cannot control, and from which they cannot escape.

If I were a leader of a European country, I'd start investing heavily in the military and ramping up military training, because it is quite likely that this will end the usual way...
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Switzerland - and hopefully the UK - will have the last laugh when the Euro crashes and the Union crumbles. I just hope the peoples of these nations remember self-sustainability.

History and current conditions, dictate that this is likely, and only those outside the Euro zone (US has it's own problems and an upcoming election), have half a chance of financial stability.
not to put too fine a point on it, but I suspect that neither the UK nor Switzerland would spend much time laughing if the Euro crashes, particularly not in the short term. oh, and although the US economy is hardly setting a record pace for growth, it is in fact still "recovering" much more quickly than its Euro counterparts, mostly because much less of the US economy is tied to the Asian markets.
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Re: Swiss-bashing hits new highs in EU: ambassador

Problem is that Switzerland acknowledges European law but doesn't want a common jurisdiction because it would rock the foundation of the Swiss confederation.

I think that in the end there will be a compromise because the EU and Switzerland need each other but CH will probably loose a couple of brownie points in Brussels.

This article describes the relationship between the EU and Switzerland in a "little" less populist and agitating way (in german): http://www.zeit.de/2012/12/CH-Verhae...chweiz/seite-1.

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I think that in the end there will be a compromise because the EU and Switzerland need each other but CH will probably loose a couple of brownie points in Brussels.
Why should Switzerland bow to a foreign entity? Our population has turned down pro-EU membership referendums several times despite the socialists wheeling out their factless arguments why we should. Switzerland isn't just economically strong because we're not in the EU, it's because the government and the people are generally seen as one and putting the nation first. We don't have this "us and them" attitude towards politicians here, because we all presumably know a few personally. Taking our own accountability seriously and knowing the consequences is a great way to get out of the current economic slump. Meanwhile in Brussels, they're waiting for the Greeks to see how much more money they'll need after their elections mid-month. Let's hope for Germany's sake that the communist doesn't get elected this time.
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The Swiss Federal Consitution guarantees that everyone is equal and born equal and has the same rights, just as in other democracies. "Socialism" ? there are very conservative Cantons, but Cantons like Zürich, Basel and Geneva are at least as "socialist" as Bavaria and Rheinland-Pfalz, and the capital cities of these Cantons are rather to the left of München, Ulm, Stuttgart or Mainz.
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alright, the Cantons in Switzerland control finance and taxation. Do not forget that in Switzerland the Union was created by the Cantons and not the other way round. Neither by a victorious power from accross the ocean. I am a staunch defender of true federalism which means that the members of the union control whatever possible

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Look at a map of Europe in 1940 and a map of Europe in 2012: striking similarity. The EU is actually the fourth Reich, with only Switzerland, Norway and somehow the UK resisting. This is a fascist monster built up by and for Germany, with collaboration from the French.
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This simply is distorting reality. In the Third Empire, the conquered nations could NOT participate in any decisions. Germans could only "vote" for one party. All clubs and associations were under the control of the NSDAP. The chancellor in Berlin did NOT have to care about possible defeats in parts of Germany.

Add to this, that Switzerland never for two or three centuries was as closely linked to Germany as now. Britain may be, but Switzerland is NOT "resisting" but simply trying to maintain its basics.

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not to put too fine a point on it, but I suspect that neither the UK nor Switzerland would spend much time laughing if the Euro crashes, particularly not in the short term. oh, and although the US economy is hardly setting a record pace for growth, it is in fact still "recovering" much more quickly than its Euro counterparts, mostly because much less of the US economy is tied to the Asian markets.
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perfectly true, possibly more in case of Switzerland than in case of Britain. Most of Swiss exports go into the EU-area, most imports are from the EU area, and so, nobody in Switzerland would be laughing.

Your USA-Europe comparison however is a bit "critical" as the USA does NOT depend as much on other world areas than most European countries do. And the vast home-market of the USA is often under-estimated. The USA is not "autark", true, but the reliance of the USA economy on outside markets is relatively minor. Just look at the airports. Those of NY/NJ (JFK/LGA/EWR) even together are no match to ATL or to CHI-ORD/MDW, in spite of the international position of the NY/NJ area. And provincial DFW/DAL is heavily ahead of far more cosmopolitan MIA/FLL ..... yes, to underestimate the internal strength of the USA was THE major mistake of the Imperial leadership of Japan in the late 1941 ! Sadly and amazingly, US-Americans just need a serious kick in the "worthiest" to awake to their true potential.

And what is the result of all this, you may ask ? Simple. Switzerland, as not being in a position to get it through alone may get into a PEG with the US-Dollar ! This may sound strange right now, but why not. Switzerland did it in the 1940ies, 50ies and 60ies. Sure, you can argue that realities have changed, which is true. But if you see that the USA-EastAsia axis is becoming the most important thing worldwide, it might make sense
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Why should Switzerland bow to a foreign entity? Our population has turned down pro-EU membership referendums several times despite the socialists wheeling out their factless arguments why we should. Switzerland isn't just economically strong because we're not in the EU, it's because the government and the people are generally seen as one and putting the nation first. We don't have this "us and them" attitude towards politicians here, because we all presumably know a few personally. Taking our own accountability seriously and knowing the consequences is a great way to get out of the current economic slump. Meanwhile in Brussels, they're waiting for the Greeks to see how much more money they'll need after their elections mid-month. Let's hope for Germany's sake that the communist doesn't get elected this time.
All correct to some extent ! But what many people do NOT see is that most CH-citizens generally putting their Canton first and not the union. What many people do not see is that you are first a citizen of your Canton and only as a result of this a citizen of the Union.

And the party in Greece apparently likely to be the winners are NOT "communists" but just leftwing socialists. I expect the new Greek Premier to do his first visit to a foreign country to Paris to meet with Mr Hollande, the President newly elected who is likely to lose the parliamentary elections in HIS country. Please be aware that both the Giscardists and the "Gaullists" in France are much to the left of the CDU in Germany. Interesting times ahead in France !
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Why should Switzerland bow to a foreign entity?
I did not say that "Switzerland (should) bow down to a foreign entity", my post was neutral and so am I about this issue. If you had cared to look at the link I've added you could have noticed.
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In particular, EU negotiators have become less flexible with regards to a deal for the liberalization of electricity markets. Uncertainty also remains as to the extent of funding to be received from the EU for forthcoming research projects.
That could hurt... stuff like CERN greatly depend on EU funding...
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EU can't do half as much Swiss bashing in one life time as The Local did in a couple of months of owning this place.
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Freedom of speech isn't for me, apparently. Groan ahead.
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I am implying that you are a wonderful genius that should be president or king of something but the world is so unfair, you have to push the groan button yourself. I love you.
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Re: Swiss-bashing hits new highs in EU: ambassador

I find it hard to believe that the Swiss government believed that there would be no response from the EU over their new immigration restrictions. Certainly there will be intense pressure for a response within the EU from the nations who will suffer from the quotas, and this is a core piece of EU ideology.

When you have the economic upper-hand like the EU, you can afford to impose ideological policy; in Switzerland's position, you're left with the pragmatism of trying not to get your arm twisted too hard.

As in all its dealings involving adopting EU regulations, Switzerland has to make a decision as to the payoff between the cost of implementation versus keeping its major trading partner on favourable terms. Economically, Switzerland needs the EU more than vice versa, so generally they are forced take the hit in return for the market access they need to survive - the potential cost of non-compliance is just too high. Switzerland has to pick its fights carefully, in those areas where it would otherwise have most to lose.

However, I'm not convinced Switzerland have picked their fight very well here - the imposition of the quota on this relatively insignificant group of people has relatively little to gain economically compared to what the EU could impose in revenge. If they were talking about entirely rewriting their immigration relationship with the EU, then it might have been a fight worth fighting - but at the moment, the Swiss government are probably relieved that currently they are receiving only criticism and not action.
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