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The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

Swiss voters have clearly rejected all three proposals they were asked to vote on: Managed Care, foreign policy treaties and home ownership.

Provisional final results show around three-quarters of voters saying no to both Managed Care and the foreign policy initiative while more than two-thirds were against the proposal to make it easier for people to buy homes.

The outcome is no surprise, confirming opinion polls in the run-up to Sunday's vote.

Regarding Managed Care, political scientist Claude Longchamp said the Swiss were irritated by sudden U-turns by political parties and health organisations in the campaign. He also said supporters failed to explain the complex issue.

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Results here

Meanwhile Vaud becomes the first in CH with assisted suicide law:


Vaud is set to become the first Swiss canton to introduce a law explicitly regulating assisted suicide. On Sunday, 62 per cent of people in the French-speaking canton voted in favour of a proposal obliging nursing homes and hospitals to accept the practice.

The plan was put forward by the cantonal parliament and when the new law comes into force, doctors in nursing homes and hospitals must respect the wishes of a person requesting assistance to die.

However, certain conditions must be met before the wish is granted: the person in question is suffering from an incurable illness or injury and is of sound mind. The decision whether both criteria are met is taken by the head of the nursing home or, in the case of a hospital, by the chief physician.

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Old 17.06.2012, 20:47
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Re: The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

Interesting about Vaud vote for assisted suicide. Does Switzerland have a "do not resuscitate" policy? Haven't heard they do, but maybe there could be a similar thing for assisted suicide?
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Re: The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

Assisted suicide has been legal in Switzerland for a long time - look at the Exit website for more info. However, many OAP/retirement homes have included a clause in their Charter, that Exit or Doctors, etc, cannot help and support members/patients inside their walls - as was the case in my mother's. This clause won't be legal any longer- but sadly only in Vaud so far.
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Re: The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

"Swiss vote to keep things pretty much as they are" not-shocker.
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Re: The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

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"Swiss vote to keep things pretty much as they are" not-shocker.
In their own way, there are applying the saying I've heard in English: If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
You're right that it takes some talent of convincing policy to make a change happen, but it happens when the voters have the feeling something was broken. Fair enough, don't you think?
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Re: The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

Voters in Canton Zurich voted to keep shop closed on Sundays again
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Voters in Canton Zurich voted to keep shop closed on Sundays again
I am wonder how LIB is coping with this one
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I am wonder how LIB is coping with this one
I don't know. I myself am astronished by the margin, but not by the result as such. The outcome was a triumph for the LEFT

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Old 18.06.2012, 08:39
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Re: The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

1st result is unfortunate because it burdens the younger even more.
2nd and 3rd results are positive.
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1st result is unfortunate because it burdens the younger even more.
2nd and 3rd results are positive.
Yes, I welcomed the outcome of nrs 2 and 3. To make the position of Switzerland even more difficult and to produce even more public votes hardly is the way to go. And to encourage owned houses in this country is wrong.
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Re: The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

Damnit… was really hoping the home owners issue would pass. Would help us out!
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Yes, I welcomed the outcome of nrs 2 and 3. To make the position of Switzerland even more difficult and to produce even more public votes hardly is the way to go.
Well, that's the only thing we voted yes on (I like voting! )

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Damnit… was really hoping the home owners issue would pass. Would help us out!
It wouldn't have helped home owners. Only a reform of the lunatic property tax system would do that.
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I feared that too many would vote like you did But a majority decided that enough is enough
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Re: The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

Why is home owner-ship discouraged here?

And what's the difference between "Managed Care" and a HMO (HMO is available in CH)?
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Switzerland is a tiny country, much of which is taken up by mountains and lakes. If everyone owned their own house with a garden, the whole countryside would be covered up in no time- which most Swiss would consider a disaster. In many countries, like the US and to some extent the UK (where only a small proportion is over-built now) land is plentiful.

Also many Swiss see help for home ownership as support for the upper middle classes, and not a priority.

Must say I am very happy we have chosen to live in one of the few places in Switzerland where there is plenty of space and land still cheap.
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The problem with the proposed solution was that those who would have profited the most are those who can allready buy a house/allready have a house.

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And what's the difference between "Managed Care" and a HMO (HMO is available in CH)?
With the proposed solution, HMO=Managed Care would have been the default option.
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Re: The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

That worries me because there are many christians in Vaud: baptists, pentecostals, methodists, calvinists, etc. Where they have gone?
God hates suicide and John Calvin is turning in his grave.

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Re: The Swiss say No to all three proposals ( June 17th )

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What do you mean as "sadly"?
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Why is home owner-ship discouraged here?
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Because already now, a too large percentage of land is covered by houses here. Even more private houses would make the matter even worse
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