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I am a Protestant but I think is is NOT a fabulous idea. Refer to the Bible.
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The bible is only a very rough reference guide for those who are lost and can't find their way and need a prop.

Just because someone once wrote something down, that was then repeated and then translated, doesn't make it wholly true.

It is fast becoming out-dated to to the point of obsolete due to over- and mis-interpretation of religious fools and bigots.

In time it is slowly becoming a work of fiction and less of fact - but still a few interesting nuggets to be gleamed, and some good moralistic stories .... much like Aesop's Fables.

Remember .... all that glistens, is not silver.
wait... wait... wait...

i say the sky is orange with red dots. i proclaim this to be fact and therefore whenever the sky is spoken about going forward, it is to be believed and trusted as I have now written it in this thread to be true

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Re: Swiss canton passes first law on assisted suicide

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The bible was written at a time when people didn't suffer for long if they had some kind of debilitating illness which was at that time untreatable. Nowadays we can artificially keep people alive throughout a painful and undignified condition which should have killed them perhaps within a maximum of a couple of years of its onset but keeps them lingering for decades. Sufferers should have a right to choose a dignified end and I applaud Vaud for its progression in this way.
The Bible is full of long-therm sufferers, including the prophet Jeremiach, King David, Job, including those healed by Jesus in the New Testament. Refer particularly to the Book of Job. He suffered almost all his adult life but he DECIDED to survive.
If someone is a Christian, they know that they belong to God and the suicide is a breach of the Sixth Commandment: "You shall not murder". The Christians are responsible to guard what was entrusted to them, in this case their lives.

If somebody doesn't believe in God, it is his own responsibility and he already has the other "master". As Bob Dylan sang:

You're gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
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Old 19.06.2012, 15:02
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Just because people dont know the Bible by heart that doesnt mean they are not Christians
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The Bible is full of long-therm sufferers, including the prophet Jeremiach, King David, Job, including those healed by Jesus in the New Testament. Refer particularly to the Book of Job. He suffered almost all his adult life but he DECIDED to survive.
If someone is a Christian, they know that they belong to God and the suicide is a breach of the Sixth Commandment: "You shall not murder". The Christians are responsible to guard what was entrusted to them, in this case their lives.

If somebody doesn't believe in God, it is his own responsibility and he already has the other "master". As Bob Dylan had sung:

You're gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
If someone doesn't believe in God then they can't possibly believe in the Devil, can they?

As an atheist why should my right to die be judged by people who believe in something I don't believe exists? Nobody would be forced into an assisted suicide so obviously religious beliefs would be respected. The point is that people should be given the choice.

I'd rather look at hard facts than Bob Dylan lyrics and a 2000 year old book but I guess I'm just weird like that...
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What do you mean?
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Old 19.06.2012, 15:06
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The Bible is full of long-therm sufferers, including the prophet Jeremiach, King David, Job, including those healed by Jesus in the New Testament. Refer particularly to the Book of Job. He suffered almost all his adult life but he DECIDED to survive.
If someone is a Christian, they know that they belong to God and the suicide is a breach of the Sixth Commandment: "You shall not murder". The Christians are responsible to guard what was entrusted to them, in this case their lives.

If somebody doesn't believe in God, it is his own responsibility and he already has the other "master". As Bob Dylan sang:

You're gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
Oh, I believe it's full of sufferers. I suffer just reading your posts about it, I can only imagine how bad it must have been to live it.

You must be talking about after these fellas enter the fires of hell, though - otherwise, I don't see what 100'000 BTUs has to do with anything.

If you don't get it, look up "therms" in Google
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Old 19.06.2012, 15:07
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I am a Protestant but I think is is NOT a fabulous idea. Refer to the Bible.
Exactly. You think. That means you have an opinion about something. Great. We think that is a great idea. Religion has nothing to do with it. Its just a matter of opinion. Some people like it, some dont. Simples.
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Re: Swiss canton passes first law on assisted suicide

I fail to see how one group's beliefs should dictate what an individual can do with his or her own body. If the Christians (Protestant, Catholic, whatever) or any other group object, I have a really simple solution:

Don't do it.

Otherwise, what business is it of yours?
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Exactly. You think. That means you have an opinion about something. Great. We think that is a great idea. Religion has nothing to do with it. Its just a matter of opinion. Some people like it, some dont. Simples.
You've been watching those meerkat adverts again!

The commandment is "Thou shalt not kill", which can be a different thing to murder, and it's about number 12 or 13 in the list because there are actually a lot more than 10 if you read Exodus Chapters 20 and 21. Christianity just seems to quote a few and ignore the rest of them.

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Just because people dont know the Bible by heart that doesnt mean they are not Christians
Even the knowledge of the Bible, although recommended, not necessarily leads to Heaven. Either good works. Even going to the church doesn't make you a Christian.
Obedience to God makes you a Christian. It is extremely difficult but fruitful after all anguish. Imho, the abandonment saddens God and the suicide is an abandonment, isn't?
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Old 19.06.2012, 15:37
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Imho, the abandonment saddens God and the suicide is an abandonment, isn't?
Exactly! In your opinion. I understand your opinion, and can respect if you didn't want to have assisted suicide should you find yourself in unbearable, terminal pain.

However, I fail to see how your opinion (and that of those who share it) should matter one jot on anyone else's choices. If you and yours can prevent the change of law by democratic means, so be it - but the argument of 'it makes God sad' isn't exactly reasonable when trying to legislate an individual's freedom to do as they see fit with their own body, and choose to die with dignity.

Shouldn't each person be free to make God happy or sad as they see fit? Isn't that the foundation of this whole pesky free will thing, and with it the theological origin of sin?
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Thou shalt not murder is the preferred phrasing of capital punishment advocates, as they define judicial execution as righteous killing and not murder.
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Re: Swiss canton passes first law on assisted suicide

Argent, it's people like you who make me want to spout streams of venomous, offensive, blasphemous comments. I then have to remind myself that not all religious people are like you and I should respect their beliefs as they respect mine.
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[QUOTE=Occasional_Canadian;1586846]Exactly! In your opinion. QUOTE]
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Argent, it's people like you who make me want to spout streams of venomous, offensive, blasphemous comments. I then have to remind myself that not all religious people are like you and I should respect their beliefs as they respect mine.
You don't have to read my comments and you don't have to insult me.
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The Bible is full of long-therm sufferers, including the prophet Jeremiach, King David, Job, including those healed by Jesus in the New Testament. Refer particularly to the Book of Job. He suffered almost all his adult life but he DECIDED to survive.
If someone is a Christian, they know that they belong to God and the suicide is a breach of the Sixth Commandment: "You shall not murder". The Christians are responsible to guard what was entrusted to them, in this case their lives.
Sorry, you must have been off sick when they let the secret out about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Bernie Madoff and the Bible. They were all imaginary tales to keep nave people entertained and occupied whilst the rest of us got on with our real lives.

Bless you and your beliefs though. Very quaint.
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Sorry, you must have been off sick when they let the secret out about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Bernie Madoff and the Bible. They were all imaginary tales to keep nave people entertained and occupied whilst the rest of us got on with our real lives.

Bless you and your beliefs though. Very quaint.
No. Please tell me it's not true that there isn't an Easter Bunny or Santa
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