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Old 02.07.2012, 11:17
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so you mean what was published was a lie?...
Where did I say that?
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Old 02.07.2012, 11:33
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You judge a hole party because of some (maybe) misbehavior of not even a hand full (ex-) members?
That's just ridiculous!
yes it is...but as long as SVP don't make an official statement...but if you have lived in Switzerland for more than a month (?), then you know that SVP is anti-muslim party...right?
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Old 02.07.2012, 11:36
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Where did I say that?
sorry I misunderstood your statement about "still lie waiting..." , I thought you meant, they are waiting for something to come, and when it came, they lied about it...
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Old 02.07.2012, 11:40
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...right?
Wrong!
First of all, the SVP is for Swiss citizens and not against others.
Secondly, the two members who caused this story are not longer member of the SVP. There are statements from all the different levels of this party who indicates that a behavior like this is not compatible whit the goals from the SVP.
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Old 02.07.2012, 11:51
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Wrong!
First of all, the SVP is for Swiss citizens and not against others.
Secondly, the two members who caused this story are not longer member of the SVP. There are statements from all the different levels of this party who indicates that a behavior like this is not compatible whit the goals from the SVP.
About "First of all, the SVP is for Swiss citizens and not against others"

If this is correct then they do do a very poor job of explaining their policies.

I remember some black & red posters with big boots & some posters with black sheep.
What should I be remembering?
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Re: Sickening tweet from an SVP member

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You judge a hole party because of some (maybe) misbehavior of not even a hand full (ex-) members?
That's just ridiculous!
We are talking about the party who judges EVERYBODY else because of some misbehaviour of a hand full, right?
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Wrong!
First of all, the SVP is for Swiss citizens and not against others.
Secondly, the two members who caused this story are not longer member of the SVP. There are statements from all the different levels of this party who indicates that a behavior like this is not compatible whit the goals from the SVP.
One positive effect about the advent of social media: All the crap that used to be uttered only at the Stammtisch/internal party meetings becomes public because some harebrains continue to tweet what they really think (under the influence?).
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Old 02.07.2012, 11:59
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We are talking about the party who judges EVERYBODY else because of some misbehaviour of a hand full, right?
Well, I'd say that 100% rejection of asylum seeker from the Maghreb area is everybody and because of the fact that a majority of them are criminal, I personally have no problem whit that.
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Old 02.07.2012, 12:10
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Oh ya totally. It's actually just enforceable in Germany. Other countries do what ever they want. It exists as manga in Japan. The US and Japan couldn't care less about German copyrights. Switzerland doesn't stand as strong in that fight.
That being said, it's hard reading. Political analysis. Not the easy emotional propaganda people think it is. In original German version, it's intricate, not very clear and complex mix of abstract fallacies and intricate references to politics and events of the 20ies. Totally impossible to follow without hardcore political science studies beforehand.
No actually, it's total crap. Really deep total and utter crap. It twists around endlessly in agonising prose without coming to the point. "Political analysis" just implies that it makes more sense if you read some of the more questionable and vague 19th Century German philosophers first, but misses the point that these wrote total crap too, so they don't actually help you understand any of it. It draws questionable analogies and tries to be coffee table philosophy, popular entertainment and propaganda at the same time while failing to be any of these. It spends pages over-explaining the obvious and then implies potentially interesting ideas without following them up and then turns around and contradicts them, again without explaining why. There's even an entire chapter dedicated to farm horses (I kid you not). It's an absolute train wreck. I cannot imagine that anybody would become a Nazi by reading it.

Banning it was a knee-jerk reaction by post-war Germany and now they cannot back down without it appearing like a concession to the far right so they cling onto the ban out of pure bloody mindedness.

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Old 02.07.2012, 12:15
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Re: Sickening tweet from an SVP member

Too true.

The greens have nutcases who seem to advocate terrorist attacks against polluters.
The SP has nuts who defend Stalin.

Of course it's wrong to judge the entire party because of them.
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Old 02.07.2012, 12:19
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If somebody in German speaking Europe uses / mis-uses the term Kristallnacht / Reichskristallnacht, he/she clearly crosses a clear line. Blick and NZZ are clearly to the right of the political spectrum and they also published it.
Boycott Swarovski?
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Old 02.07.2012, 12:19
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Re: Sickening tweet from an SVP member

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Ok I understand that you recently arrived here, SVP is pro Swiss citizens (which is fine), but AGAINST all others...
it's not that issues with foreigners shouldn't be discussed, but it's their rhetorics that is VERY disturbing...

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Old 02.07.2012, 12:24
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Well, I'd say that 100% rejection of asylum seeker from the Maghreb area is everybody and because of the fact that a majority of them are criminal, I personally have no problem whit that.
you do seem to know A LOT...

if the majority (>50%) from the Maghreb area are criminals, I would say that the BFM and the Police are doing a very poor job...it's also interesting that asylum seekers gets this "stamp" before they are even trialed...
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Old 02.07.2012, 12:27
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Ok I understand that you recently arrived here, SVP is pro Swiss citizens (which is fine), but AGAINST all others...
SVP is against 75% of Swiss citizens plus all others.
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Old 02.07.2012, 12:29
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Re: Sickening tweet from an SVP member

[QUOTE=OSueco;1598348]Ok I understand that you recently arrived here, SVP is pro Swiss citizens (which is fine), but AGAINST all others...

Do you know what a Minaret stays for? It's a symbol of religious power of the muslim believe.
Swiss voters say clearly 'No' so this decision has to be respected.

To the second poster: yes, of course, where else have foreigner the right to vote? Should Switzerland be driven from non-integrated persons? Joke of the week!
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Old 02.07.2012, 12:34
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Ok I understand that you recently arrived here, SVP is pro Swiss citizens (which is fine), but AGAINST all others...

Do you know what a Minaret stays for? It's a symbol of religious power of the muslim believe.
Swiss voters say clearly 'No' so this decision has to be respected.

To the second poster: yes, of course, where else have foreigner the right to vote? Should Switzerland be driven from non-integrated persons? Joke of the week!
Uh?

Please tell me more about my religion,

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Do you know what a Minaret stays for? It's a symbol of religious power of the muslim believe.
Swiss voters say clearly 'No' so this decision has to be respected.
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So Swiss voters say clearly 'No' to the sentence that a Minaret is a symbol of religious power of the muslim believe?

What exactly are you triying to say?
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Uh?

Please tell me more about my religion,

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Swiss voters banned new Minarets from been built on their territory but they didn't forbid mosques or even the muslim believe itself. Any further questions?
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About "First of all, the SVP is for Swiss citizens and not against others"

If this is correct then they do do a very poor job of explaining their policies.

I remember some black & red posters with big boots & some posters with black sheep.
What should I be remembering?
No answer?
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Re: Sickening tweet from an SVP member

I don't have time to read the whole thread now, but I just want to say that, to me, anyone who would even think of saying "We need another Kristallnacht" is a sad, ignorant MORON with capital letters. Independently of its political color, nationality, or what the topic of conversation was.
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