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A far-right politician from the Swiss People's Party (SVP) is expected to resign on Monday after it emerged that he had called on Facebook for asylum seekers to be shot.

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A far-right politician from the Swiss People's Party (SVP) is expected to resign on Monday after it emerged that he had called on Facebook for asylum seekers to be shot.

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The SVP, Switzerland's largest political party, is seeking to distance itself from Mosimann, who previously worked as a bodyguard for party strongman Christoph Blocher.

Blocher needs a bodyguard? I wonder why?
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They need some Australian politicians in here! That way the asylum seekers will be safe and sound On an island, in the Pacific, not actually in the country......

http://www.smh.com.au/world/un-right...526-1f4yy.html
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Re: Asylum seekers should be shot: SVP politician

i believe you forgot to mention we should be put in "concentration camp" as: "a guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, civilians etc typically under harsh conditions. and before we get shot we should be tortured and our organs be sold in the open market, that would solve the problem right?
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Despite strong suspicions that Mosimann may have breached Swiss anti-racism laws, the prosecutor's office has not yet taken any action.

“We are currently not conducting a case against him,” spokeswoman Karin Steinhauser told Der Sonntag.
Something is very wrong here, how much more bile needs to come out of his gutter trap before they take action?
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Re: Asylum seekers should be shot: SVP politician

Perhapd because many think the same

I was at a debate locally, with all the candidates for the second vote for the Cantonal Government- and some of the UDC candidates sitting behind me said exactly the same when Asylum seekers where mentioned
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Re: Asylum seekers should be shot: SVP politician

The thread is a year old, but I have not seen much improvement in their rhetorics in the meantime, to be honest.
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Come on, he meant a vaccination shot. The SVP is a loving and caring party.

Irony off: The wave of criminality, whatever the reasons are, does make politics very difficult at the moment because people, as moderate and open to the world as they might be, really get pissed off. The tone has changed a little bit in Basel around me in the last five years. Perhaps not around you, just one perception here. Anyway, right or wrong, the perceived danger of criminality determines a lot of decision making at the moment.

It reminds me of the anti-europe attitude in Danmark in the late 90ies. They made reforms and changes that have nothing to do with Europe and everybody was happy again, but the anti-europe attitude staid. Here, it's not anti-EU, it's anti-something-else but the group psychology behind it looks the same to me.
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I don't think it really is criminality itself but more the manner it gets reported here, which is hard to influence. When legislature improves, then reporting improves, then people's opinion adjust accordingly. It's a chain reaction, sad that people and their opinions depend on low quality media so much.
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MC, the increase in criminality in border areas is sadly not a myth or just a case of unfair reporting. But it is more linked to the Arab Spring and the influx in nearby France of immigrants from those countries- who would actually not qualify as Asylum seekers- and who have no possibility of working and turn to crime in desperation. So NOT linked to Asylum seekers generally.
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MC, the increase in criminality in border areas is sadly not a myth or just a case of unfair reporting. But it is more linked to the Arab Spring and the influx in nearby France of immigrants from those countries- who would actually not qualify as Asylum seekers- and who have no possibility of working and turn to crime in desperation. So NOT linked to Asylum seekers generally.
If police aren't equipped with adequate legislature, it will never change. I wonder if there is a political will to change the situation. In our area, commune has taken stuff into its hands, seems to work, no need to stir racial conflict.

Poor reporting, using strategies and rhetorics that are outright banned in other countries and have been for ever, will not improve the situation, will just feed the xenophobic hatred.

Making sure police can act, will change situation.
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Lausanne is not right on the border. Here and the whole of the Jura bordering France- small groups come at night, do the deed and rush over the border again. There are police and customs patrols constantly, but 1000s of small rural road over the mountains, which the criminals know very well. I abhor the tactics of the UDC/SVP - and yet can see that denial of criminality increase does not help, and in fact plays right into their hands, sadly.

Hausse des délits moins marquée que prévu et augmentation des élucidations

La police cantonale jurassienne présente le bilan 2012 en matière de criminalité.
Le nombre d´affaires judiciaires a augmenté de 13.3% entre 2011 et 2012. La situation générale en matière de criminalité a donc évolué négativement par rapport à 2011. La raison de ce changement découle de l´augmentation des plaintes enregistrées en matière de vols (+32%). Cette augmentation s´explique en grande partie par l´effet dit du "printemps arabe", des requérants d´asile tunisiens et algériens commettant un grand nombre de délits en série et en récidive... La police cantonale poursuivra ses actions dans la prévention ciblée et l´identification des auteurs d´infractions graves, tels les brigandages, les infractions contre l´intégrité physique et les cambriolages. Ces infractions qui ont un fort impact sur le sentiment de sécurité des Jurassiennes et des Jurassiens sont une priorité.
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Re: Asylum seekers should be shot: SVP politician

Cops are present, but that's probably the only thing they are allowed to do. Their hands seem to be tied. And it is not only crime situ in bordering regions, just imagine calling a cop at 2 am that the club opposite of your house is too noisy. They cannot do anything, unless people start shooting each other there. I think things will improve, the legislature just needs to be pushed through faster, communes given autonomy to have their own preventative measures. Leaving it up to bad media stirring intolerance or SVP campaigning like little hitlerjungends, is a joke.
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We are not talking about a bit of noise, but burglaries here. And the cops and customs officers do have the power to act, and often do. But with gangs coming over regularly and repeatedly over the border for cash and grab- with 1000s of small rural and mountain roads over the border, it is a very difficult task.
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Over the border grab and run, happens all over the Europe, unfortunately so. German borders, Austrian, etc. It was bound to come here, too. The cops over here in our area, weren't until recently authorized to do much. The situation has improved massively, for example, when community police started a new policy on drug dealing,etc. There needs to be an upgrade of strategy, evidently. Whatever criminality and however it is reasoned and explained, will not stop by itself, nor by making population hostile, due to an aggressive media or political campaigning. People need to wisen up, too, when they go on holidays and leave houses unattended, house sitting, stepping up security at homes, not letting anyone know when they are at home, when at work, etc. Media should stress how to protect oneself, not where the criminals are from. Time changes, I know it is crap and we all miss when one didn't have to lock our door at all. Try walking in Prague over the Charles Bridge, with your backpack actually on your back, not your front. They will get even your half eaten sandwich.
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Lausanne is not right on the border. Here and the whole of the Jura bordering France- small groups come at night, do the deed and rush over the border again. There are police and customs patrols constantly, but 1000s of small rural road over the mountains, which the criminals know very well. I abhor the tactics of the UDC/SVP - and yet can see that denial of criminality increase does not help, and in fact plays right into their hands, sadly.

Hausse des délits moins marquée que prévu et augmentation des élucidations

La police cantonale jurassienne présente le bilan 2012 en matière de criminalité.
Le nombre d´affaires judiciaires a augmenté de 13.3% entre 2011 et 2012. La situation générale en matière de criminalité a donc évolué négativement par rapport à 2011. La raison de ce changement découle de l´augmentation des plaintes enregistrées en matière de vols (+32%). Cette augmentation s´explique en grande partie par l´effet dit du "printemps arabe", des requérants d´asile tunisiens et algériens commettant un grand nombre de délits en série et en récidive... La police cantonale poursuivra ses actions dans la prévention ciblée et l´identification des auteurs d´infractions graves, tels les brigandages, les infractions contre l´intégrité physique et les cambriolages. Ces infractions qui ont un fort impact sur le sentiment de sécurité des Jurassiennes et des Jurassiens sont une priorité.

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http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/i1/0.132.349.14.de.pdf

Lausanne so is just a few kilometers from the border
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Not far, as you say. But many areas are right on the border- and are more at risk.

Of course people have to wisen up - but for people who have for centuries been able to leave the door open without any problem - it is causing resentment- as change is happening so fast. And of course the 'wrong' people get the blame- as I explained, asylum seekers here in CH are NOT the current problem.

So education and positive information is paramount - but ignoring the issues and being in denial is not helpful.
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I totally agree with you.
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Not far, as you say. But many areas are right on the border- and are more at risk.

Of course people have to wisen up - but for people who have for centuries been able to leave the door open without any problem - it is causing resentment- as change is happening so fast. And of course the 'wrong' people get the blame- as I explained, asylum seekers here in CH are NOT the current problem.

So education and positive information is paramount - but ignoring the issues and being in denial is not helpful.
Here in Zürich we left the door open from the morning into late evening into the late 1960ies and the change was very much CH-internal. When I went to military service in 72 it was normal for all of us on Sunday evening to deposit our rifle at the start-point of the relevant "Perron". We knew the number and so what. Really bad was the time when terrorism became a real problem in WestGermany
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