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Why would the Israelis want to off him anyway?
He had been relatively quiet for a long time plus after he was offed they would simply just bring another "leader" with similar ideas out of storage.


It is not like there was some great peacemaker or a friend of the Israelis waiting in the wings to take over. Mahmoud Abbas is/was just another out of the same mould as Arafat - both rumoured to have embezzled billions.
The Israelis for decades primarily acted against moderates and people "relatively quiet" as those people were bad for the "public relations" of Israel

Ahmed Abdel Rauf el-Qudwa (aka Yassir Arafat = Yassir being the name of his religion teacher in Alexandria and Arafat the mountain above Mekka) started el-Fatah in 1964 by investing some 30 millions of British Pounds. He kept the organisation alive by diverting elQudwa millions (Arab Bank in Jordan for example) into it. No, the P.A./PLO did not have billions around anyway neither had el-Fatah.

The rumours against Mahmoud Abbas, the man who, with approval of Arafat, started the Palestinian peace program seriously, were put up by some radicals like the Hamas and some western journalists

Back to Arafat. His father was a billionaire and business tycoon and had only TWO sons. So you can figure. HOWEVER, both Arafat and Abbas found it difficult to keep internal corruption at bay, particularily from members of the same clan. While it is clear that the el-Qudwa are part of the el-Hussein clan, I strongly suppose that the Abbas are "remote" members of the same clan, even if Mahmoud Abbas denies any such link

Mahmoud Abbas btw. was the one who in the 80ies got a "peace plan" in Arabic, English and German from chaps in the environment of the Zürich University, and used the plan. Willy Brandt and Shimon Perez chose the English language version (Europe compatible language) to proceed. Realities in Israel-mainland, East Jerusalem and the two Palestines very much base on this plan
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Re: Test Arafat for poisoning: Abbas to Swiss experts

Surely he couldn't have been poisoned...when Alexander Litvinenko got poloniumed all his hair fell out and he died a slow and painful death.

Anyhow, it the comic books are to be believed, a dose of radiation that big should have given the dude some superpower or special ability.
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The Israelis for decades primarily acted against moderates and people "relatively quiet" as those people were bad for the "public relations" of Israel

Ahmed Abdel Rauf el-Qudwa (aka Yassir Arafat = Yassir being the name of his religion teacher in Alexandria and Arafat the mountain above Mekka) started el-Fatah in 1964 by investing some 30 millions of British Pounds. He kept the organisation alive by diverting elQudwa millions (Arab Bank in Jordan for example) into it. No, the P.A./PLO did not have billions around anyway neither had el-Fatah.

The rumours against Mahmoud Abbas, the man who, with approval of Arafat, started the Palestinian peace program seriously, were put up by some radicals like the Hamas and some western journalists

Back to Arafat. His father was a billionaire and business tycoon and had only TWO sons. So you can figure. HOWEVER, both Arafat and Abbas found it difficult to keep internal corruption at bay, particularily from members of the same clan. While it is clear that the el-Qudwa are part of the el-Hussein clan, I strongly suppose that the Abbas are "remote" members of the same clan, even if Mahmoud Abbas denies any such link

Mahmoud Abbas btw. was the one who in the 80ies got a "peace plan" in Arabic, English and German from chaps in the environment of the Zürich University, and used the plan. Willy Brandt and Shimon Perez chose the English language version (Europe compatible language) to proceed. Realities in Israel-mainland, East Jerusalem and the two Palestines very much base on this plan

Ah the Byzantine processes of ME politics.
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Surely he couldn't have been poisoned...when Alexander Litvinenko got poloniumed all his hair fell out and he died a slow and painful death.

Anyhow, it the comic books are to be believed, a dose of radiation that big should have given the dude some superpower or special ability.
What if Arafat simply visited one of Irans nuclear facilities, or something similiar, and it wasnt properly shielded.
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Surely he couldn't have been poisoned...when Alexander Litvinenko got poloniumed all his hair fell out and he died a slow and painful death.

Anyhow, it the comic books are to be believed, a dose of radiation that big should have given the dude some superpower or special ability.

Given his age (75) and his less than healthy look, you probably wouldn't need to give him a huge dose to finish him off. Just enough to "help things along". That way the problem would show up as some other issue and not be obvious. The only issue would be one of timing. You could not be in a hurry.
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Given his age (75) and his less than healthy look, you probably wouldn't need to give him a huge dose to finish him off. Just enough to "help things along". That way the problem would show up as some other issue and not be obvious. The only issue would be one of timing. You could not be in a hurry.
But Polonium 210 isn't that easy to come by. Surely if they were going to do something like this than Ricin or a similar poison would have done the trick? At lot less hassle and much easier to implement.
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But Polonium 210 isn't that easy to come by. Surely if they were going to do something like this than Ricin or a similar poison would have done the trick? At lot less hassle and much easier to implement.
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What if Arafat simply visited one of Irans nuclear facilities, or something similiar, and it wasnt properly shielded.
"Simply" ??? The Iranians would not have allowed him to get closer than 30 kilometers to ANY of those facilities ..... as the elQudwa /el-Husseini Clan was and is strictly SUNNI, and pan-Arab nationalist, and so strictly on "the other side"
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But Polonium 210 isn't that easy to come by. Surely if they were going to do something like this than Ricin or a similar poison would have done the trick? At lot less hassle and much easier to implement.
THIS exactly is why Israel is in the focus of considerations. As Israel is THE "high-tech valley" of the Middle East, with dozens of companies active in nuclear and military sciences. And all this on an admirably high standard. You may be aware of the point that Jewish scientists in the USA worked with Polonium 210 years before the rest of the world knew anything about that stuff. In short, to come by Polonium for the Israeli government would have been and of course still is very very easy
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Re: Test Arafat for poisoning: Abbas to Swiss experts

Only about 100 grams are produced each year, practically all of it in Russia, making polonium exceedingly rare.
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The Israelis for decades primarily acted against moderates and people "relatively quiet" as those people were bad for the "public relations" of Israel

Ahmed Abdel Rauf el-Qudwa (aka Yassir Arafat = Yassir being the name of his religion teacher in Alexandria and Arafat the mountain above Mekka) started el-Fatah in 1964 by investing some 30 millions of British Pounds. He kept the organisation alive by diverting elQudwa millions (Arab Bank in Jordan for example) into it. No, the P.A./PLO did not have billions around anyway neither had el-Fatah.

The rumours against Mahmoud Abbas, the man who, with approval of Arafat, started the Palestinian peace program seriously, were put up by some radicals like the Hamas and some western journalists

Back to Arafat. His father was a billionaire and business tycoon and had only TWO sons. So you can figure. HOWEVER, both Arafat and Abbas found it difficult to keep internal corruption at bay, particularily from members of the same clan. While it is clear that the el-Qudwa are part of the el-Hussein clan, I strongly suppose that the Abbas are "remote" members of the same clan, even if Mahmoud Abbas denies any such link

Mahmoud Abbas btw. was the one who in the 80ies got a "peace plan" in Arabic, English and German from chaps in the environment of the Zürich University, and used the plan. Willy Brandt and Shimon Perez chose the English language version (Europe compatible language) to proceed. Realities in Israel-mainland, East Jerusalem and the two Palestines very much base on this plan
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