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The Palestinian president will call on Swiss experts who probed Yasser Arafat's death to take samples from his body for further tests, a Palestinian official said on Sunday.

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Re: Test Arafat for poisoning: Abbas to Swiss experts

Update,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19402767

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6181688.stm
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Re: Test Arafat for poisoning: Abbas to Swiss experts

I am NOT a doctor. I do NOT have inside knowledge. I do NOT like conspiracy theories.

But I remember my Godfather whom I visited five months before his end. And then saw the same kind of body movements of Mr Abdel-Rauf el-Qudwa (nom-de-guerre Yassir Arafat) and it was the same. To me simply Parkinsons Disease . That Israelis speak about AIDS and Palestinians about poisoning and that the "official" thing speaks about heart etc is not surprising
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Re: Test Arafat for poisoning: Abbas to Swiss experts

The Swiss found traces of Polonium on his clothes: this looks like a good reason to dig him up and test his body. Arafat was not liked by many people, including several Arab countries, so let's keep an open mind on this one.

And on the previous assassination in London,

Traces of the radioactive substance Polonium have since been discovered at various locations in London visited by Mr Litvinenko as well as in Russia and on two British Airways flights.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7106196.stm

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The Swiss found traces of Polonium on his clothes: this looks like a good reason to dig him up and test his body. Arafat was not liked by many people, including several Arab countries, so let's keep an open mind on this one.

And on the previous assassination in London,

Traces of the radioactive substance Polonium have since been discovered at various locations in London visited by Mr Litvinenko as well as in Russia and on two British Airways flights.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7106196.stm

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True. Among his adversaries were Israel most of all, but also Syria. And Syria was, via el-Saika, directly INSIDE the PLO. el-Saika, just like el-Fatah, the PFLP, the PDFLP and the PLA is one of the members of the PLO. But el-Saika is dominated by the Syrian Mukhaberat. The relations of Arafat with General Mubarak were always quite good and those with King Hussein bin Talal, once on below zero, over the years had gradually improved. So that to me, IF there was a poisoning action it was either Israel or Syria.
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Re: Test Arafat for poisoning: Abbas to Swiss experts

Could be the Palestinians as well, he stole huge amounts of money from the Palestinian Authority and there was/still is huge corruption within these organisations and it is rumoured he had made off with around $1.3 billion.
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Could be the Palestinians as well, he stole huge amounts of money from the Palestinian Authority and there was/still is huge corruption within these organisations and it is rumoured he had made off with around $1.3 billion.
Yassir Arafat financed the el-Fatah out of his private family enterprise. The PLO is just the umbrella organisation of most Palestinian organisations with the exception of Hamas. But I do not believe that somebody inside elFatah or somebody of the rival organisations inside the PLO or Hamas did it. The sort of stuff hints to somebody out of the high-tech people
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Re: Test Arafat for poisoning: Abbas to Swiss experts

Thanks for sharing the info. Very Useful.
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Re: Test Arafat for poisoning: Abbas to Swiss experts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24838061

Experts at the Vaudois University Hospital Centre (CHUV) in Lausanne, Switzerland, conducted tests on samples taken from Yasser Arafat's exhumed body in November 2012.
  • Swiss report says "unexpectedly high levels of polonium-210 and lead-210 activity" found in specimens taken from Arafat's ribs, pelvis and soil that absorbed his bodily fluids
  • It notes a lack of adequate biological specimens, particularly soft tissues, and the eight years between death and the investigation, rendering detection subject to uncertainties
  • But it concludes results "moderately support the proposition that the death was the consequence of poisoning with polonium-210"
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True. Among his adversaries were Israel most of all, but also Syria. And Syria was, via el-Saika, directly INSIDE the PLO. el-Saika, just like el-Fatah, the PFLP, the PDFLP and the PLA is one of the members of the PLO. But el-Saika is dominated by the Syrian Mukhaberat. The relations of Arafat with General Mubarak were always quite good and those with King Hussein bin Talal, once on below zero, over the years had gradually improved. So that to me, IF there was a poisoning action it was either Israel or Syria.

& for the conspiracy theorists, Syria is close to the Russians who are already suspected of using Polonium; it is not the sort of product you can buy in your corner shop.


Nasty stuff Polonium & difficult to handle; investigators need to look at people who had contact with Arafat & themselves soon became very ill or died. I doubt Arafat would have allowed contact with anyone who visited him wearing a lead suit
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Re: Test Arafat for poisoning: Abbas to Swiss experts

So, in other words, the Syrians may have offed him, Israel will get the blame as always.

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It is a pity he died: in the old days everyone had a common enemy...
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& for the conspiracy theorists, Syria is close to the Russians who are already suspected of using Polonium; it is not the sort of product you can buy in your corner shop.
What do you mean? They sell it here. You can easily buy Polonium and chips and you're right, it's nasty stuff.

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So, in other news, the Syrians may have offed him, Israel will get the blame as always.
It also works the other way around
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To me simply Parkinsons Disease . That Israelis speak about AIDS and Palestinians about poisoning and that the "official" thing speaks about heart etc is not surprising
He was supposed to have died of a blood disorder.

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The official statement announcing Arafat's death said the Palestinian leader succumbed from a "mystery blood disorder".
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...?from=storylhs
The report by French doctors describes a platelet disorder...
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=435849

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Yasser_Arafat
Happened to watch this recently: BBC: modern spies

Only one security service admitted to knocking people off in multifarious ways (37:29).
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So, in other words, the Syrians may have offed him, Israel will get the blame as always.
Israel may have offed him while Syria may get the blame. The likelyhood however is on the Israelis anyway. While I stay with my impression, and that is that he died of Parkinson's. The time-frames, the body-language, everything fits exactly

It however may be that the Israelis found Parkinson's to be too slow ..... and the Israelis have the high-tech and the top medicine to do the job
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Re: Test Arafat for poisoning: Abbas to Swiss experts

Why don't we wait and see what the Palestinian, French and Russian teams have to say. Providing the Palestinian Authority publish them of course. Which is doubtful imho if they contradict the Swiss one which suggests he was poisoned.

The man was 75 and much more likely to die of disease or age related problems than that someone would decide to poison him after he'd been in power for +30 years.
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Why don't we wait and see what the Palestinian, French and Russian teams have to say. Providing the Palestinian Authority publish them of course. Which is doubtful imho if they contradict the Swiss one which suggests he was poisoned.

The man was 75 and much more likely to die of disease or age related problems than that someone would decide to poison him after he'd been in power for +30 years.
It was the P.A. which right from the start hinted towards poisoning, so that the new findings may confirm their notions

I nevertheless agree with you, that age related problems had their role. Parkinson's usuallly IS an illness coming up at high age.
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Israel may have offed him while Syria may get the blame. The likelyhood however is on the Israelis anyway. While I stay with my impression, and that is that he died of Parkinson's. The time-frames, the body-language, everything fits exactly

It however may be that the Israelis found Parkinson's to be too slow ..... and the Israelis have the high-tech and the top medicine to do the job
Why would the Israelis want to off him anyway?
He had been relatively quiet for a long time plus after he was offed they would simply just bring another "leader" with similar ideas out of storage.


It is not like there was some great peacemaker or a friend of the Israelis waiting in the wings to take over. Mahmoud Abbas is/was just another out of the same mould as Arafat - both rumoured to have embezzled billions.
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