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Old 11.07.2012, 11:17
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Totally agree, I think it is dumber that there aren't any signs of that entrance for pedestrians is blocked
When I was a child in the U.K., they made a commercial-length film for children showing the dangers of playing on or near railway tracks.

It was really gory and they must have used gallons of fake blood.

It served its purpose when I was a child and I didn't go anywhere near railway tracks unless I was on a train, or on a platform.

As an adult, I really didn't need a film like that as I was knowledgeable enough to know not to go near railway tracks.
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Old 11.07.2012, 11:21
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When I was a child in the U.K., they made a commercial-length film for children showing the dangers of playing on or near railway tracks.

It was really gory and they must have used gallons of fake blood.

It served its purpose when I was a child and I didn't go anywhere near railway tracks unless I was on a train, or on a platform.

As an adult, I really didn't need a film like that as I was knowledgeable enough to know not to go near railway tracks.
I remember that too. They based it on a kind of weird school sports day involving games in and around trains and railway lines. Was really well done IIRC.
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Old 11.07.2012, 11:25
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Re: US tourist killed in rail tunnel

Obviously this is a tragedy for the family, but in terms of what was mentioned earlier regarding signage in the UK, there are bridges covered with signs of all sorts, warning of every conceivable danger (and some inconceivable ones), but people will always find new ways to injure themselves.

Sadly, I just don't think you can regulate for these sorts of accidents.
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As an adult, I really didn't need a film like that as I was knowledgeable enough to know not to go near railway tracks.
Well that is you Tom...now explain to me how much it would cost or what evil could come of being safe and just putting a goddamn sign?
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Old 11.07.2012, 11:38
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Well that is you Tom...now explain to me how much it would cost or what evil could come of being safe and just putting a goddamn sign?
No, that is most adults. People need to accept some personal responsibility sometimes.

This is a tragic accident that could have been avoided but I'm not sure a sign would have helped here.
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Well that is you Tom...now explain to me how much it would cost or what evil could come of being safe and just putting a goddamn sign?
Two for every TRAIN tunnel in Switzerland at average costs for one sign of CHF 250.00 plus costs for installation?
Nobody is safe just because you put a sign up. You have to read and to understand it, in short you have to use your brain and therefore do exactly the same thing you do if there are no signs.
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No, that is most adults. People need to accept some personal responsibility sometimes.

This is a tragic accident that could have been avoided but I'm not sure a sign would have helped here.
I knew you were going to say that..still what is wrong with being too safe? People can think well no signs maybe this is an unused rail road or people can have brain farts, they happen you know?
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When I was a child in the U.K., they made a commercial-length film for children showing the dangers of playing on or near railway tracks.
I remember that too. They based it on a kind of weird school sports day involving games in and around trains and railway lines. Was really well done IIRC.
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No, that is most adults. People need to accept some personal responsibility sometimes.

This is a tragic accident that could have been avoided but I'm not sure a sign would have helped here.
Exactly. Based on what mea posted, the group were fully aware of the danger, but chose to risk it anyway. A sign wouldn't have changed that.
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Exactly. Based on what mea posted, the group were fully aware of the danger, but chose to risk it anyway. A sign wouldn't have changed that.
back home were people are hmmm not very smart or just too lazy to go all around a railway, there are signs and also access is blocked. I am not saying it would have prevented this accident, but maybe it could prevent others.
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I knew you were going to say that..still what is wrong with being too safe? People can think well no signs maybe this is an unused rail road or people can have brain farts, they happen you know?
IMHO there is a huge danger in making everything safer and safer, because you tend to rely on these "safety nets" and don't use your brain anymore. Life is never safe, even breathing can be dangerous.
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Re: US tourist killed in rail tunnel

given that its never happened before then I don't think a sign would save anyone. If your silly enough to try to walk through a train tunnel then your silly enough to ignore any signs telling you not to.

where do you stop? sign saying don't jump off the top of a building, don't dismantle a plug socket and touch the wires? don't eat dog poo off the street etc etc

I really don't want the health and safety culture of the UK coming here thanks.
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back home were people are hmmm not very smart or just too lazy to go all around a railway, there are signs and also access is blocked. I am not saying it would have prevented this accident, but maybe it could prevent others.
Sorry, Ang, I'm on the "less is more" thing. You go to the UK and can't move for the nanny-statism of signs.
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Sorry, Ang, I'm on the "less is more" thing. You go to the UK and can't move for the nanny-statism of signs.
It is just my point of view
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There was also a kind of "tunnel race"; the team with the most survivors won, and a rock throwing competition; the winner was the team who injured the most passengers, using colour-coded rocks.
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I knew you were going to say that..still what is wrong with being too safe?
What's wrong with it is that by insulating people from danger in some situations it can make them less aware in others. Do people really exist who need to be warned that coffee or apple pies are hot, that a bag of peanuts 'may contain nuts', that jumping off a cliff may cause injury? If there are, I'd suggest that the reason they have such a need is because they're become so accustomed to being warned about any potential risk that they don't perform any common-sense based risk analysis themselves.

Summed up here, in this very sad case, by the comment "but they said it was a safe walk".

The Swiss are to be admired, in my view, for allowing folks to do loads of things which involve risk and may be dangerous, but to make up their own minds about it.
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Re: US tourist killed in rail tunnel

The "Lebensgefahr" signs are quite common here though so the authorities do take the approach that people need to be warned.

Perhaps there was a sign on the tunnel but the kids obviously don't speak German.

I've seen warning signs in multiple languages here, too, but they are usually around tourist attractions. I guess even the Swiss don't account for tourists taking short cuts through railway tunnels.
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Re: US tourist killed in rail tunnel

I don't understand what anyone's nationality has to do with their ability to make unwise choices when it comes to things like wandering down a train tunnel or crossing railroad tracks.

For what it's worth...

A Swiss woman was recently killed here in Greifensee when she crossed the train tracks in order to avoid having to walk an extra 1/4 kilometer through the underpass to safely get to the other side.

I think it's more a reflection of one's own stupidity to assume that a person's IQ is directly correlated with one's nationality.
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I think it's more a reflection of one's own stupidity to assume that a person's IQ is directly correlated with one's nationality.
But younger adults are much more likely to take risks (it's a stage in their brain development), and people are more likely take risks when on holiday or in that year out abroad.
Add a few friends into the mix to boost bravado (high-fiving and all that) and you've got a dangerous mix.
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Thank you. Yes, I guess jump to safety is right, or at least have room between the wall and the train. Was there a no people sign? Probably not, you should just automatically know.
Well if you had lived in Europe, where walkways don't always exist, and been there all your life or at least more then 4 days, you would REALLY know not to ever go in a tunnel. But they didn't, two of them had never really been much outside Texas. They were told it was a safe hike.
Did they have a map, I don't know. Her leg was cut off, and she died instantly. Yes, I do feel horrible for the poor guy who has to clean it up. But what about the mother who can't afford for her only daughters body to be sent home before being cremated.
I'm sorry but they were stupid Americans, one boy told them not to go through. At least wait for the next train to go through, but they wouldn't wait. He ran through that tunnel so fast, he knew the risk, but they would have left him. It was his girlfriend, and she was crossing to get to him on the grassy verge, my son, who said "no". She was hit right in front of his and her brothers eyes. I am sorry, this happened, but stuff does happen.
Mea, please accept my deepest condolances for your son's loss.

I'd also like to thank the other posters on this thread for not groaning me, although I knew that my suggestions would not be popular. I know you can't and shouldn't make everything 100% safe, but if there are any ways to make it less likely that this tragedy happen again, I hope the local authorities consider doing so.

Perhaps the real place to put up signs is at the youth hostel where Mea's son and the others were staying since there hasn't been any problems up to now with locals using the tunnel by mistake.
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