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Swissish 25.04.2014 22:53

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Originally Posted by Desert Rat (Post 2065517)
How the heck do you catch a ferrel cat and get it to hold still for castration?

It seems more likely that it would be trying to rip your face off.

It's called loads and loads and loads of patience. I used the typical bate and trap method. My husband refers to it as the "balls for food program" not so funny if you are on the receiving end but what else can be done? The population was getting out of control. Once they are in the trap it's easy to cover them with a blanket to try and help keep them calm for the transport. The vets then use a special technique using a bar to push them up into the corner to help subdue them but I never watched that part. They do it while the cat is still in the cage. My job was simply to trap them and pick them up after it was all over. The cats are all better off for it and the males stopped fighting.

Brass427 27.04.2014 10:28

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Originally Posted by meloncollie (Post 1606036)
If stray cats are such a problem, why not introduce mandatory microchipping, database registration, and tax as has been done with dogs?

Especially since it is the norm for cats to roam free. If all pet cats were chipped, there would at least be a way to distinguish between strays and ferals.

When mandatory microchipping was first introduced there was much moaning and groaning and predictions of 'it will never work, people will just ignore the law..." but 6 years on, it is estimated that there is a 95% complicance rate. Mandatory chipping has all but solved the stray dog problem. (Note I said stray, not homeless.)

The scheme is self-financed via the dog tax and registration fees.

So cat owners - what do you think about - would mandatory microchipping of cats help in a similar way?

People would quickly get rid of their cats. The other idea at the moment is to neuter them. Farm cats breed like the proverbial rats they are supposed to kill and many of them are rather sickly as a result of overpopulation. There is a valid argument for eliminating stray cats, just as there are good arguments for eliminating unleashed dogs in wooded areas. Both kill wildlife and neither should be allowed to run wild.

Far too many people buy a cat to keep the neighbor's cats from crapping in their gardens but that does not help the problem, but compound it. I see nothing wrong with eliminating wild cats.

meloncollie 27.04.2014 11:53

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Originally Posted by Brass427 (Post 2141301)
People would quickly get rid of their cats. The other idea at the moment is to neuter them. Farm cats breed like the proverbial rats they are supposed to kill and many of them are rather sickly as a result of overpopulation. There is a valid argument for eliminating stray cats, just as there are good arguments for eliminating unleashed dogs in wooded areas. Both kill wildlife and neither should be allowed to run wild.

Far too many people buy a cat to keep the neighbor's cats from crapping in their gardens but that does not help the problem, but compound it. I see nothing wrong with eliminating wild cats.


I certainly agree that any outdoor pet cat should be neutered. There is no excuse for allowing uncontrolled breeding. Or any other form of animal owner irresponsibility, for all species.

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One of the concerns with the killing of stray cats is that it is difficult to identify which cats are ferals and which are pets - meaning that pets are killed along with ferals. Chipping would at least address that.

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But I am curious as to why you think people would rather get rid of pet cats than chip them.

I heard the same comments prior to the introduction of mandatory chipping of dogs - yet the compliance rate is very high, and I don't think I've heard any stories of dogs being dumped because of the chipping requirement.* For the most part, people grumbled but paid the relatively inexpensive cost of chipping and registration and got on with it. And soon came to see the value in chipping, as lost dogs are usually reunited with their owners.

I would think owners of pet cats, especially those who go outdoors, would see chipping as an additional measure of safety for their pet.

But maybe I'm looking at this too much from my perspective as a dog owner. Is there resistence to chipping perhaps because cat owners don't bear the same legal responsibility for the actions of the animal?

Any other cat owners care to comment? What do you see as stopping owners from chipping pet cats?

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* Dogs are still abandoned - that is, handed into shelters - for many other reasons though. There are still lots of homeless dogs, but a stray dog is a rare thing in Switzerland these days. Chipping has done much to lower the incidence of dumping, as the owner will be found, and fined.

Brass427 27.04.2014 17:15

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Originally Posted by meloncollie (Post 2141352)
I am curious as to why you think people would rather get rid of pet cats than chip them.

I'm not sure, it's just a gut feeling. From my experience with cat owners, they are either very dedeicated and never let their cat out (chipping would be largely unnecessary) or basically hardly ever let the cat in. I think the latter category can't really be considered a pet owner and most likely would not go to the bother of chipping the cat. Dog owners can't and wouldn't do that.

Dog owners are very different: Their dog is their best friend.

hannah'sauntie 27.04.2014 17:25

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Your gut feeling isn't correct, as far as I am concerned. When we had cats, they could come and go as they pleased through their cat flap (except at night when we kept them inside), but they chose to be inside more than outside.
If we had a cat now and microchipping was compulsory, there would be no question that we would get it done, actually we would get the cat chipped even if it wasn't compulsory.
As to cats being a best friend, that is just what my cats were, as well as being my babies. :)

Murloc 27.04.2014 23:26

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chipping semi-feral farm cats would not be easy I think, so I'm not sure there would be much compliance.

Killing cats is the typical idea of bird-crazed biologists. There was a guy here who shot every cat that entered his garden because they disturbed the biotope.

Spaying is better imho, this way if it's a genuine mistake and the cat was just a domestic cat, no harm is done.
Sounds pricey though.

meloncollie 28.04.2014 00:12

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Originally Posted by Murloc (Post 2141831)
chipping semi-feral farm cats would not be easy I think, so I'm not sure there would be much compliance.

Killing cats is the typical idea of bird-crazed biologists. There was a guy here who shot every cat that entered his garden because they disturbed the biotope.

Spaying is better imho, this way if it's a genuine mistake and the cat was just a domestic cat, no harm is done.
Sounds pricey though.

Some of the rescues I liase with in other countries who practice CCR (catch, castrate, release) to reduce the feral cat and dog population will chip the animal while castrating. Then if the animal is caught a second time the chip data includes that the animal is castrated/spayed. (With females it is not always obvious.) The cost of a chip is pennies, the animal has already been sedated, and it saves the expense of a second op.

In countries where resources to chip/read chips are not available, tattooing or ear notching the animal is often done in lieu of chipping - again, a visible sign that the animal has already been castrated.

But I'm mostly thinking of mandatory chipping of outdoor pet cats, for their own protection as a way to distinguish them from ferals. (And I agree - all cats who go outdoors should be castrated/spayed.)


The issue of ferals is complicated as there is no owner to take responsibility or pay the costs.

Tasebo 28.04.2014 01:13

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This discussion brings a favourite book about a stray feline to mind, Jenny, by Paul Gallico. Anyone who appreciates cats for the intriguing critters they are should read it.

New Forester 13.05.2014 17:05

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I'm sure thge Swiss will do the right thing and just eat them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat#Switzerland

Lakeside 13.05.2014 17:36

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Having cats chipped and requiring a cat tax, particularly as they run around outside and presumably also relieve themselves outside, seems reasonable. It seems a little strange that dog owners have to pay a tax and cat owners do not. A chip would also be advantageous for cat owners as when their cat is found, they can be more easily traced back "home".

Le Nerd 12.01.2015 11:01

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There's an old, sickly stray that hangs around my complex and has a tendency to attack people who walk past. Unfortunately, a lot of the residents like this cat but not enough to actually adopt it, so it just menaces pedestrians. If I called animal services, the neighbours would probably hate me, but it's drawn blood before with its attacks. While I don't think killing all strays is a solution, this particular stray and others like it should probably be put down due to its condition.

meloncollie 12.01.2015 11:10

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Originally Posted by Le Nerd (Post 2317058)
There's an old, sickly stray that hangs around my complex and has a tendency to attack people who walk past.



Please call the Tierrettungsdienst:

http://www.tierrettungsdienst.ch/h/tierrettung_7.php

If the cat is ill it needs veterinary attention. The rescue folks and the vet will assess the situation and do the best for the cat. These are very good people.

Le Nerd 12.01.2015 11:40

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Originally Posted by meloncollie (Post 2317075)
Please call the Tierrettungsdienst:

http://www.tierrettungsdienst.ch/h/tierrettung_7.php

If the cat is ill it needs veterinary attention. The rescue folks and the vet will assess the situation and do the best for the cat. These are very good people.

Thanks for the link, Meloncollie, I will see what they tell me!

cymoc 06.02.2015 16:32

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I can't believe that the Swiss would make such a law. I've seen their progression the past 7 years, and this doesn't seem like a direction that the Swiss would take. It just looks too bad.


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