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Animal lovers have expressed outrage after an official at the Swiss environment ministry said all stray cats should be killed.

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Re: Kill stray cats: Swiss environment official

This is the end of Switzerland global good reputation (if still any)!
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Re: Kill stray cats: Swiss environment official

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Re: Kill stray cats: Swiss environment official

That has always happened in rural areas when there are too many around I'm afraid. And when I was a kid many people ate them- especially the groups of Italian season workers. Around farms there are always plenty- and tolerated so they kill mice, etc- but when too numerous, they get culled.
Mind you, it was the same in rural UK too.

Cats sadly are responsible for a huge proportion of bird deaths every year.
I do dot condone, but it's always been the way in rural areas.
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I'm not sure that it was the same in rural England Odile - when are you thinking about? And they were certainly never eaten
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I'm not sure that it was the same in rural England Odile - when are you thinking about? And they were certainly never eaten
Where I lived they were fed to the hounds of the local Hunt (quite recently - we lived in an area with many famous Hunts).

Totally agree Nil - I am a cat lover and I find it disgusting too. I don't know anybody who would eat cat by choice now, but it was very different in the 50s. However, I do wonder if it is not 'preferable' to having 10000s of stray cats in terrible condition, skinny ans starving, diseased and maimed, as in many Med countries (sorry, but like Spain Nil).
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What's the difference between a cat and a rabbit?

In Australia feral cat's are decimating the small indigenous creatures. The problem is made by humans and the problem must be solved by humans. There is a difference between someones pet and over population by one creature.
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I'm not sure that it was the same in rural England Odile - when are you thinking about? And they were certainly never eaten
She's speaking of Switzerland, where they were/are eaten!

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Re: Kill stray cats: Swiss environment official

I love cats, not eat them. though. If you kill a wild one for its meat because this is the only thing you can eat, ok. But to kill it for sport??? No way!
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Re: Kill stray cats: Swiss environment official

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And when I was a kid many people ate them- especially the groups of Italian season workers.
In Italy only a very small part of its population eat them, and they are around a very specific region (Veneto) and the rest of the population is not very happy about it. Have also to say that is mainly the old generation that does it, the new ones are not following through.

As for the killing, there are other methods to contain a cat population all effective but more time and money consuming. Killing is just the easy way for them but not the best one.

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Killing is just the easy way for them but not the best one.
Why bother? Take it easy.
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Animal lovers have expressed outrage after an official at the Swiss environment ministry said all stray cats should be killed.

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Why stop at just stray ones?

As for eating cats ...... what a load of pussies you are.

Outside of any city, it was common practice, only a generation ago here.

My wife's maiden aunt, who still lives in the 250yr. old family farm house has a couple of cat pelts on her hard wooden dining chairs to keep bums warm in winter, can even remember "their" names ...... and as for what was inside the skins, she just smiles and rubs her belly.
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Re: Kill stray cats: Swiss environment official

If stray cats are such a problem, why not introduce mandatory microchipping, database registration, and tax as has been done with dogs?

Especially since it is the norm for cats to roam free. If all pet cats were chipped, there would at least be a way to distinguish between strays and ferals.

When mandatory microchipping was first introduced there was much moaning and groaning and predictions of 'it will never work, people will just ignore the law..." but 6 years on, it is estimated that there is a 95% complicance rate. Mandatory chipping has all but solved the stray dog problem. (Note I said stray, not homeless.)

The scheme is self-financed via the dog tax and registration fees.

So cat owners - what do you think about - would mandatory microchipping of cats help in a similar way?
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If stray cats are such a problem, why not introduce mandatory microchipping, database registration, and tax as has been done with dogs?

Especially since it is the norm for cats to roam free. If all pet cats were chipped, there would at least be a way to distinguish between strays and ferals.

When mandatory microchipping was first introduced there was much moaning and groaning and predictions of 'it will never work, people will just ignore the law..." but 6 years on, it is estimated that there is a 95% complicance rate. Mandatory chipping has all but solved the stray dog problem. (Note I said stray, not homeless.)

The scheme is self-financed via the dog tax and registration fees.

So cat owners - what do you think about - would mandatory microchipping of cats help in a similar way?
It was mandatory to microchip Toutoune when we moved to CH.
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If stray cats are such a problem, why not introduce mandatory microchipping, database registration, and tax as has been done with dogs?

Especially since it is the norm for cats to roam free. If all pet cats were chipped, there would at least be a way to distinguish between strays and ferals.

When mandatory microchipping was first introduced there was much moaning and groaning and predictions of 'it will never work, people will just ignore the law..." but 6 years on, it is estimated that there is a 95% complicance rate. Mandatory chipping has all but solved the stray dog problem. (Note I said stray, not homeless.)

The scheme is self-financed via the dog tax and registration fees.

So cat owners - what do you think about - would mandatory microchipping of cats help in a similar way?
I don't know how the financial part would be dealt with - who is responsible for the existence of the stray cats? The farmer? The random person who leaves a bowl of cat food on his back porch? The regular cat owners who let their cats roam the neighborhood before they're spayed?

With dogs, it seems that there are less wild ones so that most dogs who live here have a specific owner who can be made responsible to pay for the chip...
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Around here everybody knows the cats and who they 'belong to' or which are strays. Their behaviour will normally be quickly indicative- stray cats being totally unapproachable and will shun any human contact.

Again, I am not saying that what is proposed is right- but that it has always been the case. We certainly always kept our cats indoors before Christmas- because they were the favourite fare of the Italian working 'gangs' working in the area- as they were poorly paid and exploited, and it was the norm for them coming from poor regions of Italy. (in 50s). Our local hockey team still has a black cat on it's sweatshirts- as they always celebrated the beginning of the season by catching and cooking a few local fat cats

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Re: Kill stray cats: Swiss environment official

"Please don't kill us - we might be getting old, but they liked us in the 80's."

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Re: Kill stray cats: Swiss environment official

Sorry, but domestic cats don't belong in nature. In addition to being an ecological nightmare, they also harbor and spread toxoplasmosis. Switzerland has a dwindling, tiny population of true wild cats (not feral or stray) that aren't going to last much longer thanks in part to competition from strays and roaming domestics, not to mention the devastating effects on birds and other small wildlife. Cats are already microchipped, it doesn't help with the stray problem when people don't neuter and spay outdoor cats, and you can't exactly check for a microchip through a scope.

If cat owners were required to be responsible pet owners like dog owners are legally required to be we wouldn't have this problem.
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If cat owners were required to be responsible pet owners like dog owners are legally required to be we wouldn't have this problem.

This is the crux of the problem - the law places very little responsibility on cat owners. The law views cats as 'semi domesticated', and therefore gives them the right to roam. In itself this is not the problem, but unfortunately some owners take this view of the nature of a cat to mean they have no responsibility for their pet's actions.

Yet we do not afford the same to owners of other pets . Dogs are not allowed to act 'according their nature', as the law says that once we bring a dog into human society the dog must abide by human rules. If we are saying that cats too cause problems, then it would seem that the solution is to place an equal level of responsibility on cat owners. (Note I said 'if'.)

While many cat owners do chip, it is not mandatory as it is for dogs. Look at the number of strays on the Tierschutz database. (And yes, to import a cat into CH it needs to be chipped, but there is no such requirement for any cat born here.)

Chipping and registration itself does not solve the problem, but as we have seen with dogs it goes a long way toward changing a pet owner's behavior, as it makes the owner identifiable - and therefore more easily held liable for problems caused. It changes the pet owner's mindset.

I'd also like to see a licensing fee for pet cats, as there is for dogs. The money raised would go a long way towards funding solutions to 'cat related' problems, for instance for a catch, castrate, and release scheme for feral cats.

(CCR schemes are practiced in many countries, with good results.)

Bottom line - all pet owners, of any species, need to understand the impact the decision to take on a pet might have on society and the environment, and take responsibility for the welfare and behavior of the animal.
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If stray cats are such a problem, why not introduce mandatory microchipping, database registration, and tax as has been done with dogs?

Especially since it is the norm for cats to roam free. If all pet cats were chipped, there would at least be a way to distinguish between strays and ferals.

When mandatory microchipping was first introduced there was much moaning and groaning and predictions of 'it will never work, people will just ignore the law..." but 6 years on, it is estimated that there is a 95% complicance rate. Mandatory chipping has all but solved the stray dog problem. (Note I said stray, not homeless.)

The scheme is self-financed via the dog tax and registration fees.

So cat owners - what do you think about - would mandatory microchipping of cats help in a similar way?
People would quickly get rid of their cats. The other idea at the moment is to neuter them. Farm cats breed like the proverbial rats they are supposed to kill and many of them are rather sickly as a result of overpopulation. There is a valid argument for eliminating stray cats, just as there are good arguments for eliminating unleashed dogs in wooded areas. Both kill wildlife and neither should be allowed to run wild.

Far too many people buy a cat to keep the neighbor's cats from crapping in their gardens but that does not help the problem, but compound it. I see nothing wrong with eliminating wild cats.
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People would quickly get rid of their cats. The other idea at the moment is to neuter them. Farm cats breed like the proverbial rats they are supposed to kill and many of them are rather sickly as a result of overpopulation. There is a valid argument for eliminating stray cats, just as there are good arguments for eliminating unleashed dogs in wooded areas. Both kill wildlife and neither should be allowed to run wild.

Far too many people buy a cat to keep the neighbor's cats from crapping in their gardens but that does not help the problem, but compound it. I see nothing wrong with eliminating wild cats.

I certainly agree that any outdoor pet cat should be neutered. There is no excuse for allowing uncontrolled breeding. Or any other form of animal owner irresponsibility, for all species.

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One of the concerns with the killing of stray cats is that it is difficult to identify which cats are ferals and which are pets - meaning that pets are killed along with ferals. Chipping would at least address that.

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But I am curious as to why you think people would rather get rid of pet cats than chip them.

I heard the same comments prior to the introduction of mandatory chipping of dogs - yet the compliance rate is very high, and I don't think I've heard any stories of dogs being dumped because of the chipping requirement.* For the most part, people grumbled but paid the relatively inexpensive cost of chipping and registration and got on with it. And soon came to see the value in chipping, as lost dogs are usually reunited with their owners.

I would think owners of pet cats, especially those who go outdoors, would see chipping as an additional measure of safety for their pet.

But maybe I'm looking at this too much from my perspective as a dog owner. Is there resistence to chipping perhaps because cat owners don't bear the same legal responsibility for the actions of the animal?

Any other cat owners care to comment? What do you see as stopping owners from chipping pet cats?

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* Dogs are still abandoned - that is, handed into shelters - for many other reasons though. There are still lots of homeless dogs, but a stray dog is a rare thing in Switzerland these days. Chipping has done much to lower the incidence of dumping, as the owner will be found, and fined.
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