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Re: Police put out warrant for Zurich stabbing suspect

Here we go... It's all kicking off in CH...

Next up; Gun Crime and ASBO's!
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Old 18.07.2012, 20:00
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Are cigarettes now offensive weapons?

Stand back or I light this and raise your chances of developing cancer due to secondary smoke in about 20 years time!

Any assailant would just <automoderated> their pants and run away.

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I suppose you could argue that cigarettes kill more people than knives, so maybe you should ask why the knife distributors are also selling cigarettes.
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Old 18.07.2012, 20:09
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Re: Police put out warrant for Zurich stabbing suspect

Well, personally id prefer to be attacked with a smoke rather than a knife!!
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Making the security staff liable for such crimes might improve the situation as they will care more to prevent this.
Not workable and no one would ever sign up to do the job if that were the case. Anyway, why should the doorman be liable for someone else carrying a knife and using it?

However, if the security team were trained better they would have put one of the parties from the fight inside out onto the street not both of them. I understand that they go for the cheap option for security rather than using proper professionals. Bad move Kaufleuten, reputation is everything.
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However, if the security team were trained better they would have put one of the parties from the fight inside out onto the street not both of them. I understand that they go for the cheap option for security rather than using proper professionals. Bad move Kaufleuten, reputation is everything.

Hm im not so sure. the bouncers in my home town are great.. Search peope, can read the crowd... Brill.

Problem is, there are guys who come to the nightclubs but before arriving... and this is the honest truth... hide weapons behind walls, in hedges... So when it kicks off and they are thrown outside they are prepared!

ASKING FOR TROUBLE!!
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Hm im not so sure. the bouncers in my home town are great.. Search peope, can read the crowd... Brill.

Problem is, there are guys who come to the nightclubs but before arriving... and this is the honest truth... hide weapons behind walls, in hedges... So when it kicks off and they are thrown outside they are prepared!

ASKING FOR TROUBLE!!
If they werent thrown outside together then the problem would have been avoided altogether.
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Old 19.07.2012, 18:36
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Re: Police put out warrant for Zurich stabbing suspect

Absolutely not!! For example. . . we have one night club that has two places to exit from. if you stand at the cornor you can see where the other person comes out.

If the other person is not thrown out then the one who was just waits! They can wait accross the street if they cant wait beside the nightclub theres no hassel. The buncers cant stop them! And the police cant do much if he isnt "drunk and disorderly" ... or creating any trouble. Plus... well they are busy.

Also i have seen many many times people hiding in alllyways waiting for the other person. Although thats a little off topic.

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Where to start?
If you carry a knife you are of course looking for trouble. If you have it you will use it if the situation is presented.
maybe self defence that got out of control?
Why did he feel the need to carry one in the first place? Possibly being targeted by some one?
That artical is the first Ive seen of this incident. Feel so sorry for both families!
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Sorry, I usually carry two or three and sometimes even four pocket knifes and NEVER look for trouble. And never was targetted up to now. Would I use one of the knifes in self-defence ? Possibly yes. And while against violence, if defending myself, I would have no hesitations.



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The two brothers are from Kosovo.
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and so are European Europeans (so sorry, "were" in one case)

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At least the Swiss reporting on this incident has been true to form - every article I've read so far has managed to deal with the nationality of both victim and offender by the end of the second sentence.
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This is general norm and has been so for a while now. If you now want to convert it into an Arab-European or a Semitic-IndoEuropean thing, go ahead

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Ok yes.. Swiss carry knifes. . . duh
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One night in a pub in Basel the cigarettes promotion people were in... we got a flick knife type thing from them.
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Couldnt believe it!! Hello drunken fool... heres a knife. Have a great night

When i say "Drunken Fool"... of course i dont mean myself
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šehmmm, of course not but with the knife you could open a bottle or cut open a package of food

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Well, personally id prefer to be attacked with a smoke rather than a knife!!
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but you cannot open bottles or tins or open letters or packages or cut a Cervelat for grilling with a cigarette
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Re: Police put out warrant for Zurich stabbing suspect

OK, if your going camping fine. No problem.

Should you carry a knife on a night out? NO. Why would you? Its stupid.
Also, if you are going grocery shopping? Why carry a knife.

Carrying a knife can put other peoples lifes in danger. Im not saying YOU are putting others in danger... but a simple row in the street could turn fatal very quick.

Knife crime is on the up... carrying a knife on the streets is daft.
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Should you carry a knife on a night out? NO. Why would you? Its stupid. Also, if you are going grocery shopping? Why carry a knife?
To open a bottle of beer or wine, for example. Also, it contains a toothpick, very useful after dinner. Also, if you go to a festa, and want something better than the plastic crap they normally give out.

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Old 23.07.2012, 10:32
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Sorry, I usually carry two or three and sometimes even four pocket knifes and NEVER look for trouble.
And here I thought it was ..... something else.
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To open a bottle of beer or wine, for example. Also, it contains a toothpick, very useful after dinner. Also, if you go to a festa, and want something better than the plastic crap they normally give out.

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Drink cans, Or use a lighter to open bottles, or use a bottle opener, use a key to open it, use a wall, buy a twisty top, ask for a tooth pick or use your nails... eat soup! There!! All your knife carrying problems sollved!
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Drink cans, Or use a lighter to open bottles, or use a bottle opener, use a key to open it, use a wall, buy a twisty top, ask for a tooth pick or use your nails... eat soup! There!! All your knife carrying problems sollved!
Or just carry a multipurpose tool that includes toothpick, tweezers, screwdrivers, corkscrew etc. - and a very useful sharp thingy that you can use for a variety of tasks from dead heading roses to whittling pieces of wood into amusing shapes. Apparently Victorinox make a load of them.

Some knives are pretty much only useful as weapons - but most of them are not.

Irrational prejudice against weapons and self defence is possibly one of the conditions that allows a growth of violence in certain sectors of society - alongside ridiculously soft treatment of criminals and a refusal to let anybody take responsibility for their actions.
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carrying a knife on the streets is daft typical Swiss
FTFY!

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OK, if your going camping fine. No problem.

Should you carry a knife on a night out? NO. Why would you? Its stupid.
Also, if you are going grocery shopping? Why carry a knife.

Carrying a knife can put other peoples lifes in danger. Im not saying YOU are putting others in danger... but a simple row in the street could turn fatal very quick.

Knife crime is on the up... carrying a knife on the streets is daft.
You apparently are mistaken. I do NOT "carry" two or three knifes on a night out. I simply have them with me all day round, and do not see any reason to leave them at home.

Grocery shopping ? And what if you want to open a bottle or a tin etc ? The pocket knife comes in very well indeed !

No, a simple row on the street is not to turn out fatal very quick, but rather not at all. I started to have my pocket-knife with me back in about 1960 ! and nothing ever happened, and this in spite of me being a rather impulsive person

"knife crime on the up" ? This may well be. Just as other crimes
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FTFY!

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Right, flying on commercial flights nowadays is like doing male skin strip, as you have to put the knife into the checked in luggage !
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You apparently are mistaken. I do NOT "carry" two or three knifes on a night out. I simply have them with me all day round, and do not see any reason to leave them at home.

Grocery shopping ? And what if you want to open a bottle or a tin etc ? The pocket knife comes in very well indeed !

No, a simple row on the street is not to turn out fatal very quick, but rather not at all. I started to have my pocket-knife with me back in about 1960 ! and nothing ever happened, and this in spite of me being a rather impulsive person

"knife crime on the up" ? This may well be. Just as other crimes

Ok, camping you need to open a tin.. i get that. Walking around town you do not!

I am not saying YOU would hurt someone. I am saying someone could get hurt. Every day you hear of people being stabbed- If fools see its ok to carry a knife they will alse carry one and why not?

Or just carry a multipurpose tool that includes toothpick, tweezers, screwdrivers, corkscrew etc. - and a very useful sharp thingy that you can use for a variety of tasks from dead heading roses to whittling pieces of wood into amusing shapes. Apparently Victorinox make a load of them.


And who do you think you are Macgyver? What do you think will happen when your out buying Undies?
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Right, flying on commercial flights nowadays is like doing male skin strip, as you have to put the knife into the checked in luggage !
Indeed, until 11 years ago I always carried a Swiss knife and a Leatherman on me when flying, now I have to check them!

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Ok, camping you need to open a tin.. i get that. Walking around town you do not!
You do if you want to pop into a shop and pick up something for a lunch in the park!

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Ok, camping you need to open a tin.. i get that. Walking around town you do not!

I am not saying YOU would hurt someone. I am saying someone could get hurt. Every day you hear of people being stabbed- If fools see its ok to carry a knife they will alse carry one and why not?

Or just carry a multipurpose tool that includes toothpick, tweezers, screwdrivers, corkscrew etc. - and a very useful sharp thingy that you can use for a variety of tasks from dead heading roses to whittling pieces of wood into amusing shapes. Apparently Victorinox make a load of them.


And who do you think you are Macgyver? What do you think will happen when your out buying Undies?
Ok you know everything, the rest of us are idiots with homicidal tendencies who can't be trusted to act like responsible human beings and we must be protected from our mental incompetence. Thank you Mummy, can we wear long trousers today or should we go back to shorts?
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