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" Hotlympics: The Hunks of London 2012 "
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1st Gold for Team GB!

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Helen Glover and Heather Stanning win GB's first gold medal of the 2012 Games in the women's pair rowing.
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Phelps wins his 19th Olympic medal!
sorry. Can't get excited about numbers when swimmers are involved. There are just too many disciplines.

Better Olympians, IMO, are those who have won the events either over multiple Olympics or across different events.
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sorry. Can't get excited about numbers when swimmers are involved. There are just too many disciplines.

Better Olympians, IMO, are those who have won the events either over multiple Olympics or across different events.
Like who? Phelps has won different events (the 4 strokes are different disciplines) over multiple Olympics.

Its true as a great, complete (good at multiple strokes) swimmer he may get more shots at medals than a great athlete but he's done it over time and swimming is not an old persons game so its understandable that this will be his last Olympics.

He's the best for me. So far.
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Like who? Phelps has won different events (the 4 strokes are different disciplines) over multiple Olympics.

Its true as a great, complete (good at multiple strokes) swimmer he may get more shots at medals than a great athlete but he's done it over time and swimming is not an old persons game so its understandable that this will be his last Olympics.

He's the best for me. So far.
Exactly. He "may" not. He definitely does. It isn't just about the stroke, but also the multiple distances. The fact that you can get so much "duplication" in the sport suggests to me that it needs to be cut back a little.

50m freestyle
100m freestyle/backstroke/breaststroke/butterfly
200m freestyle/backstroke/breaststroke/butterfly/meddley
400m freestyle/meddley
1500m freestyle

That's before you get to the 3 relay races and I left out the 10k swim.

Did I miss any? I'm just surprised they don't have doggy paddle in there too.

Compare that to track and field events. You might get someone in the 100 and 200 + relays. At a push in the 400 as well, but not in hurdles and you don't mix long vs. short distances.

Don't get me wrong. He is a fine athlete, a great Olympian and clearly ahead of his peers (in previous Olympics anyway), and what he has achieved is not to be sniffed at. I just think that it is too easy for swimmers compared to other disciplines, and people will look at that tally and, like you, say he's the GOAT.

That just doesn't sit well with me.
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Exactly. He "may" not. He definitely does. It isn't just about the stroke, but also the multiple distances. The fact that you can get so much "duplication" in the sport suggests to me that it needs to be cut back a little.

50m freestyle
100m freestyle/backstroke/breaststroke/butterfly
200m freestyle/backstroke/breaststroke/butterfly/meddley
400m freestyle/meddley
1500m freestyle

That's before you get to the 3 relay races and I left out the 10k swim.

Did I miss any? I'm just surprised they don't have doggy paddle in there too.

Compare that to track and field events. You might get someone in the 100 and 200 + relays. At a push in the 400 as well, but not in hurdles and you don't mix long vs. short distances.

Don't get me wrong. He is a fine athlete, a great Olympian and clearly ahead of his peers (in previous Olympics anyway), and what he has achieved is not to be sniffed at. I just think that it is too easy for swimmers compared to other disciplines, and people will look at that tally and, like you, say he's the GOAT.

That just doesn't sit well with me.
Isn't there an 800m as well?

But there is nothing stopping a runner from going 100/200/400/800/1500 relays, hurdles, at times they have been long jumpers as well. As someone who swam somewhat competitively I can tell you 50m/100m and 400m plus are completely different. Yes it looks the same but so do the runners.

Yes to hurdle its a different skill but each swimming stroke is a different skill as well as turning skill.

Also, some of his races will detract from some performances in the other. Missy Franklin the other night swam a heat about 20 minutes before a final in which she won gold. When you compete in so many races you do risk not giving each one 100pc.

Can you offer some alternatives to GOAT?
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Old 01.08.2012, 23:30
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Yes it looks the same but so do the runners.
Like what? You for real?

A 100 m runner looks like a 200 m, sure, but 400 m have a different physique and the longer they go the "thinner they are" as a rule of thumb.

Generally, I rate the generalists above the specialists. Sure individual records are set by the specialists, but those who compete and win in multiple events and do so successfully year on year show all round abilities.

Some contenders here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19073234
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Like what? You for real?

A 100 m runner looks like a 200 m, sure, but 400 m have a different physique and the longer they go the "thinner they are" as a rule of thumb.

Generally, I rate the generalists above the specialists. Sure individual records are set by the specialists, but those who compete and win in multiple events and do so successfully year on year show all round abilities.

Some contenders here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19073234
I mean the action of swimming vs the action of running, not the physiques of the athletes, and I would agree a 100m runner is not running 1500m but they could run up to 400m. 100m, 200m, 400m, plus relays but they dont (often) do they. How many swimmers do you see qualifying for as many races as Phelps does? and he may not be finished on 19.

I take your point he gets more races but he's still no 1 for me. Lewis for me is close but how much suspicion is there of drugs involved and Nurmis record from the bbc link is impressive.

I think its also fair to discount how many relay medals Phelps has won. So he's not the far in front BUT he's a long way in front of the second place swimmer.
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Old 02.08.2012, 12:30
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sorry. Can't get excited about numbers when swimmers are involved. There are just too many disciplines.

Better Olympians, IMO, are those who have won the events either over multiple Olympics or across different events.
Just read an interesting article from yesterday's edition of The New York Times entitled "Many Medals but No Consensus for Phelps" and which lends credence to the argument that he may not be the best Olympian athlete ever but should certainly rank up there as one of them.
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Just read an interesting article from yesterday's edition of The New York Times entitled "Many Medals but No Consensus for Phelps" and which lends credence to the argument that he may not be the best Olympian athlete ever but should certainly rank up there as one of them.
The concept that a swimmer is going to win medals over 5 or 6 olympics is ridiculous. Didn't the American skeet shooter just win a medal for the 5th Olympics, lets throw her in the argument. Swimming in your late 30s? Even if physically possible training that hard for 20 years no thanks. I think there is some truth that Phelps maybe hasn't trained as hard for these games.

The fact that not everyone can swim butterfly but most of us can run 100m makes it all the more impressive. Ive swam 200m butterfly, it aint easy (could not now). Running 100m in sub 10 seconds is awesomely impressive and the race I look forward to more than anything else. No disputing the Bolt is the fastest runner in the world.

I think its difficult to compare people across totally different sports and different generations. Its always easy to say he's not the best he's one of the best. But who is best then?
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Old 02.08.2012, 15:10
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The concept that a swimmer is going to win medals over 5 or 6 olympics is ridiculous. Didn't the American skeet shooter just win a medal for the 5th Olympics, lets throw her in the argument. Swimming in your late 30s? Even if physically possible training that hard for 20 years no thanks. I think there is some truth that Phelps maybe hasn't trained as hard for these games.

The fact that not everyone can swim butterfly but most of us can run 100m makes it all the more impressive. Ive swam 200m butterfly, it aint easy (could not now). Running 100m in sub 10 seconds is awesomely impressive and the race I look forward to more than anything else. No disputing the Bolt is the fastest runner in the world.

I think its difficult to compare people across totally different sports and different generations. Its always easy to say he's not the best he's one of the best. But who is best then?
I was somewhat bemused at that concept too (Steve Redgrave on Phelps: “And yet I still believe his feat would have been more impressive if he achieved it over six or seven Games.”).

Winning consistently over 6 (24 years) or 7 (28 years) Olympics Games is going to be quite some achievement for any athlete given the ageing process, rigorous training regime(s) required, potential health issues and so on.

As you rightly state, there are just too many variables to consider in attempting comparisons over differing sports disciplines and generations.

Who is the best of all time? Who can say for sure? Maybe this should be looked on from the perspective of Phelps being one of the greatest of all time but only within his specific sport discipline and not across the board...

Changing subject seeing as you mentioned The Bolt in your post. Saw a very interesting documentary earlier this week on the strongest contenders for the 100m Men's final. Absolutely loved the commentators description of how Team America is going all out to "halt the Bolt". I love that sort of word play, hence my mentioning it.
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Lithuanian fan fined for the forbidden salute with costs.

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Fining him GBP2,500 plus GBP85 costs, district judge Sonia Sims told him: ‘‘This type of conduct tarnishes the whole ethos of the Games.’’

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Lithuanian fan fined for the forbidden salute with costs.

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A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially aggravated offence at the Games and fined GBP2,500.

Fining him GBP2,500 plus GBP85 costs, district judge Sonia Sims told him: ‘‘This type of conduct tarnishes the whole ethos of the Games.’’
What hypocrisy.

Ther whole olympic torch thing, the whole opening ceremony thing, all stuff the Nazis added and that reeks of fascist symbolism. But oh, there's nothing fascist about a bunch of athletes with beautiful bodies competing to find out who is top nation these days. Oh the very thought.

Just please don't take that thought one step further.

At least they make the trains run on time.

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As an engineer, I really like the technology in the sporting equipment being used. Everything from high tech shoes to the kicka$$ mountain bikes. Even something as simple as a volleyball is intriguing to look at in detail
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As an engineer, I really like the technology in the sporting equipment being used. Everything from high tech shoes to the kicka$$ mountain bikes. Even something as simple as a volleyball is intriguing to look at in detail
me too

I have a colleague who worked on the cool new swimsuits they've been using in recent years. Cool fluid mechanics.
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The opening ceremony of the Olympics had mixed reviews in the UK press, some said it was to gloomy and suggested it copied scenes from the lord of the rings with the shire and the industrial chimneys towers of Mordor.

Personally I thought it was OK, but too disjointed and did not necessarily portray a fair depiction of the UK through the ages in respect of its real aim of being a shop window advertisement for potential international tourists to the country ( of whom there were millions watching).

Firstly I don't believe that many international viewers would have any idea of what the NHS is, let alone why they are paying homage to them, not to say that is was not good and not to say that the NHS does not deserve it, however in my opinion being a British expat I can only really see this as a pat on the back from the British government and an attempt by the government in collusion with the UK Olympic committee to claw back national support in light of national concerns of governmental support.

This is something of an internal UK issue and really should not have been used to represent the UK's long and proud history as a marketing tool to drum up tourist business to our fair isles during the Olympics. (unless they envisage many tourists having to use the NHS while in the UK, which if anything is a concern)

What they should of had focused on is the UK throughout the ages should have been a progress story, perhaps a fairytale mixed with real events and places. knights in Armour, castles, london throughout the ages, sherlock holmes, the swinging 60's, the beatles, shakespere, JR Tolkien, CS Lewis, Dickens, the royal family, the Italian job. Brighton pier, rolling country side, the list goes on.

In conclusion the opening ceremony should really have been more upbeat postcard example of what Britain has to offer and the best of British from a tourists point of view, capitalizing on why tourists come to the UK and playing to those strengths. They started well with bond and royal family, but it got side tracked with the internet and Mordor....

It was good, but not as good as Bejing Olympics 08.
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I was somewhat bemused at that concept too (Steve Redgrave on Phelps: “And yet I still believe his feat would have been more impressive if he achieved it over six or seven Games.”).

Winning consistently over 6 (24 years) or 7 (28 years) Olympics Games is going to be quite some achievement for any athlete given the ageing process, rigorous training regime(s) required, potential health issues and so on.

As you rightly state, there are just too many variables to consider in attempting comparisons over differing sports disciplines and generations.

Who is the best of all time? Who can say for sure? Maybe this should be looked on from the perspective of Phelps being one of the greatest of all time but only within his specific sport discipline and not across the board...

Changing subject seeing as you mentioned The Bolt in your post. Saw a very interesting documentary earlier this week on the strongest contenders for the 100m Men's final. Absolutely loved the commentators description of how Team America is going all out to "halt the Bolt". I love that sort of word play, hence my mentioning it.
Its always the same whenever someone is regarded as the greatest ever. Normally its just different generations brought up but in this case multiple sports. Someone providing some evidence to show doubt and theres always going to be conjecture.

I still think Phelps is the greatest of all time. These articles try and show other options but dont exactly come to any conclusions. Its the same when they talk about greatest footballer, golfer, etc.

Of course you ask British people (Coe) or a BBC article they are going to throw British people in there. The reference to Daley Thompson is just weird.

I hope by the end of the mens 100m the US team is "Thunder struck" (ACDC reference)
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The third Gold today for Team GB in cycling!

Sir Chris Hoy, Philip Hindes and Jason Kenny beat France to win the men's sprint final.

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Michael Phelps continued to rewrite the Olympic record books, becoming the first male swimmer to win the same event three times in a row, as cyclist Sir Chris Hoy got British hearts pounding with a record-equalling fifth gold medal.

"To be able to win the gold medal and be the first to three-peat is something very special and something I am very happy about," said Phelps, who will retire after the Games.
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congrats to Roger Federer , I was with Del Potro today, but sports are sports
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