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This shows well that you have no f-word idea what you are talking about.

Do you know what it means for a bank to be indicted (not convicted, indicted) in federal court? It is the end - the US correspondent will block its USD accounts and the bank is dead.

For all the populistic posturing like the above, there is exactly jack sh!t the government could do.
Sorry but there is nothing in my statement that is not true. If you do not know about Swiss politics and how right-wing political parties are financed please avoid making any comments.
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Old 08.08.2012, 20:34
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how right-wing political parties are financed
Same as left-wing parties.

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Same as left-wing parties.

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No, SP/PS and Gruene/verts do not accept money from banks. At least until now, it might change.
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So anyone on this list can potentially be extradited to the US, even if they are swiss citizens? is that correct?
several aspects
A) no CH citizen will EVER be extradited to anywhere, out of CH
B) whether other European countries may or may not do so is a legal question, which I cannot answer
C) in regard to B) it will be different from country to country
D) no foreigner working in banking in CH will be extradited to the USA ever as what the USA regards as criminal is not criminal here, and that by CH laws, those US-law-enforcers acting as mentioned are criminals
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quizzing children of the bankers is absolutely disgusting
but I guess US is in its rights to get the bankers who helped its citizens evade the tax.
YES&NO, the USA is NOT "in its rights to get the bankers who advise(d) US citizens depositing money in their companies". BUT if somebody travels to the USA and around in the USA, then it is US law which counts and nothing else

I am not so sure in regard to those other countries mentioned. It depends on the legal details. I for example do NOT believe that it would be easy for the US judiciary to get a US-citizen working in Switzerland out of France. Banks here will have to get assistance from inside or outside lawyers.

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This shows well that the government cares more about the interests of big business (essentially banks and big pharma) than those of its citizens. Partly because big business finances right-wing political parties, without any transparency. It is highly likely that Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf gets her fair share...
You remember the Polanski matter, when Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf shrewdly ruined the "case" of the California judiciary . And I do not believe that banks do not care about the rights and the safety of their employees. And why emphasize "big pharma" ? You might mention fields like engineering (machinery+tools), instruments, who however are NOT affected by the mentioned problems of the finance branch

Up to now, I have not heard about a single case of a banker working in CH getting into trouble in any other European country. The United Kingdom ? Maybe or not. The common language is not the only factor dividing the two astonishingly different countries, different in uncountable legal and political aspects

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No, SP/PS and Gruene/verts do not accept money from banks. At least until now, it might change.
Well, I do NOT know, but might believe that COOP-Bank does support the SP, its political wing.

The Migros Bank lost its political wing, the LdU, decades ago, but the GLP is ideologically so close to the old Migros/LdU ideals that I might consider any link as well possible.
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Re: Are you one of 10,000 CH Banking employees targeted by the US ?

[QUOTE=Wollishofener;1630203]YES&NO, the USA is NOT "in its rights to get the bankers who advise(d) US citizens depositing money in their companies". BUT if somebody travels to the USA and around in the USA, then it is US law which counts and nothing else


Swiss bankers were essentially helping US citizens break US tax law
as well as FBAR reporting requirements on the basis of Swiss banking
secrecy. They actively recruited in the US for people to bring money
to Switzerland.

It IS IN THEIR RIGHT to prosecute such cases. For the poor innocent
US citizens that live here, we are taking a lot of the punishment.
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Sorry but there is nothing in my statement that is not true. If you do not know about Swiss politics and how right-wing political parties are financed please avoid making any comments.
yeah. So why don't you educate me? What do YOU know about financing? Oh sorry, it's secret and you can't tell, I forgot.
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YES&NO, the USA is NOT "in its rights to get the bankers who advise(d) US citizens depositing money in their companies". BUT if somebody travels to the USA and around in the USA, then it is US law which counts and nothing else


Swiss bankers were essentially helping US citizens break US tax law
as well as FBAR reporting requirements on the basis of Swiss banking
secrecy. They actively recruited in the US for people to bring money
to Switzerland.

It IS IN THEIR RIGHT to prosecute such cases. For the poor innocent
US citizens that live here, we are taking a lot of the punishment.
A) US tax law is not Swiss law, and so, whomever did/does do so here is NOT guilty of anything against the law
B) The USA is NOT in their right to prosecute such cases HERE, but definitely inside the USA. If those bankers are silly enought to travel to the USA, well, their choice
C) that many people here blame ALL US-Americans for the arrogance of the USA as a country is indeed undeniable. Really regrettable and NOT defendable.

C-2) the situation is not really new. In the times of the War in Vietnam, thousands of US-CH double citizens came over to do military service here in order not to get to Vietnam. The German of many of them was rather meagre. I improved my English in military basic service when I translated for John G.. John understand both Standard German and dialect fairly well when in personal contact, but when our captain or one of his lieutenants spoke in front of the unit, he did not understand it. Our captain at a time sensed something and suddenly stood behind us (had transferred the bla-bla to one of the lieutenants. He then arranged a deal with me so that I HAD TO translate and then give him a sign so that he could continue. It suddenly had become a military duty John then returned to the USA a decade later, some six or seven years after end of the war and years after the end of compulsory military service in the USA
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You have no f-word idea what you are talking about either!!!

Do you know what it means for a bank employees to have its name given to foreign authorities like a criminal?
Believe it or not, I do. Do you? What is your experience with banking (judging by your statements i assume close to non-existent)? And your experience with Swiss politics?
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Re: Are you one of 10,000 CH Banking employees targeted by the US ?

I think employees did their job only.
If there is one someone to look at, is the bank itself (or its top executives) but not the employees....
Anyway, it sounds crazy...
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I think employees did their job only.
If there is one someone to look at, is the bank itself (or its top executives) but not the employees....
Anyway, it sounds crazy...
A) also top executives are employees
B) also top executives did their job
C) to find out the names etc of bank employees is easy for investigators

ABC) to hand over such lists is rather a kind of provocation. Cynical no doubt, but it possibly was not expected that the US-inquisitors would go as far as to interrogate children
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For all the populistic posturing like the above, there is exactly jack sh!t the government could do.
other than let UBS go under of course... what would be so wrong about that??
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I think employees did their job only.
If there is one someone to look at, is the bank itself (or its top executives) but not the employees....
Anyway, it sounds crazy...
I'm sorry but that is bollocks... if your employer asks you to push cocaine to school kids, you do not just 'do your job'.

The bankers who were helping Americans hide assets were fully aware that they were aiding and abetting tax evasion, which is a punishable crime.
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they were aiding and abetting tax evasion, which is a punishable crime.
Not in Switzerland.

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Not in Switzerland.

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but of course no one is threatening them with jail time in Switzerland.

tax evasion is a punishable offence in the US. and folks who are clever enough to devise tax shelters and trusts would usually know about extradition treaties...
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A) US tax law is not Swiss law, and so, whomever did/does do so here is NOT guilty of anything against the law
B) The USA is NOT in their right to prosecute such cases HERE, but definitely inside the USA. If those bankers are silly enought to travel to the USA, well, their choice
C) that many people here blame ALL US-Americans for the arrogance of the USA as a country is indeed undeniable. Really regrettable and NOT defendable.

C-2) the situation is not really new. In the times of the War in Vietnam, thousands of US-CH double citizens came over to do military service here in order not to get to Vietnam. The German of many of them was rather meagre. I improved my English in military basic service when I translated for John G.. John understand both Standard German and dialect fairly well when in personal contact, but when our captain or one of his lieutenants spoke in front of the unit, he did not understand it. Our captain at a time sensed something and suddenly stood behind us (had transferred the bla-bla to one of the lieutenants. He then arranged a deal with me so that I HAD TO translate and then give him a sign so that he could continue. It suddenly had become a military duty John then returned to the USA a decade later, some six or seven years after end of the war and years after the end of compulsory military service in the USA
Jurisdiction to prosecute a case is not limited to geographical borders.

With electronic banking and telecommunication, it is quite easy to cross
borders without leaving your own country.

You are referring to prosecution not jurisdiction. These bankers conspired
with US customers to break a law.
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I'm sorry but that is bollocks... if your employer asks you to push cocaine to school kids, you do not just 'do your job'.

The bankers who were helping Americans hide assets were fully aware that they were aiding and abetting tax evasion, which is a punishable crime.
They knew that it was a punishable crime in the USA. But they also knew and know that it is NOT a crime HERE. If they "forget" this, they cannot be helped

You mention drugs, which is an interesting comparison. There are things you can do openly in Zürich and will NOT be prosecuted. Do the same in NYC and get a lengthy stay on Rikers Island
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Jurisdiction to prosecute a case is not limited to geographical borders.

With electronic banking and telecommunication, it is quite easy to cross
borders without leaving your own country.

You are referring to prosecution not jurisdiction. These bankers conspired
with US customers to break a law.
They did NOT break a law in Switzerland. Jurisdiction IS limited to political / legal borders. None of those bankers is in danger to get prosecuted in Switzerland. But they are in danger if travelling to the USA.
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They did NOT break a law in Switzerland. Jurisdiction IS limited to political / legal borders.....
Try telling the US that
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