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Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

I don't know if many of my fellow Irish have had a chance to read this article:

http://worldirish.com/story/11307-sw...lams-the-irish


While I have no problem with being self critical, and joking about our own flaws I find this article just down right insulting.

Calling us all inbred drunks, with no teeth and insulting our culture and tradition.

I really expected more from the Swiss, who always seem to carry this lofty air of diplomacy.
Seriously did they just publish this article thinking that no one Irish would notice.

I don't know what more to say without over stepping some boundary, as I'm quite fuming.
The journalist should have some answering to do though. I mean sometimes we all have problems with our adopted nation, but if she has such a big problem maybe she should just go home to Germany.

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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

Well, the Irish won't go naked in a sauna.
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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

The original article was published by "Die Welt Woche", a magazine known by its proximity to the SVP. Is there a need to say more?
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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

I think so.

I know very little about Swiss politics but I would wonder why affiliation with any political party would produce these results?

Maybe a quick out line of the SVP principals, and how they would explain/justify this article would say more.

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I think so.

I know very little about Swiss politics but I would wonder why affiliation with any political party would produce these results?

Maybe a quick out like of the SVP principals, and how they would explain/justify this article would say more.
Simple. It inflates their own ego and gives them a sense of superiority to put down others. Although why they pick on the Irish, I don't know. I sense a jilted journalist.
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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

I am not Irish, I was born and went to school in a nice part of London. If anyone would experience racial hatred in Ireland, it would be me.

I first went to Arklow in April 1967, it was freezing cold and wet. The Irish people I met were all warm, welcoming, lovely, friendly and generous, quite the opposite to the Swiss people I have met here.

This year in June I returned to Ireland for the first time. I stayed 8 days in Galway and 2 nights in Killarney. It still rained a lot, but the countryside was breathtaking. The Irish people I met were all warm, welcoming, lovely, friendly and generous, quite the opposite to the Swiss people I have met here.

Ireland was wet, green, sunny, and glorious. Quite the opposite of Swiss foggy days, grey, cold and miserable. When I first moved to Murten, near Fribourg we did not see the sun from 2. January until 15th February: 6 weeks of cold grey fog!

So after 45 years the Irish and Ireland have remained attractive to me, and after visiting 3 areas of Ireland I received absolutely no hostility nor bitterness, despite being obviously English with a posh accent!

If anyone is racist here, it is the Swiss, and from the right wing side of politics blatantly so.

I too would feel insulted, this article is an absolute disgrace! It just shows how ignorant, arrogant and insular Swiss journalism can be!

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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

I simply swapped the word "Swiss" for "Irish" throughout the article.
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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

Perhaps did the author experience the Irish equivalent of "no flushing after 10pm" or "police at the door for a speeding ticket". And she ran out of Aromat on top of it all.

But it's beyond me why a newspaper would want to publish her rant, that's what forums are for.
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I don't know if many of my fellow Irish have had a chance to read this article:

http://worldirish.com/story/11307-sw...lams-the-irish


While I have no problem with being self critical, and joking about our own flaws I find this article just down right insulting.

Calling us all inbred drunks, with no teeth and insulting our culture and tradition.

I really expected more from the Swiss, who always seem to carry this lofty air of diplomacy.
Seriously did they just publish this article thinking that no one Irish would notice.

I don't know what more to say without over stepping some boundary, as I'm quite fuming.
The journalist should have some answering to do though. I mean sometimes we all have problems with our adopted nation, but if she has such a big problem maybe she should just go home to Germany.

My dear M; Mistress Blocher, Weltwoche is NOT THE Swiss. Please Mistress BLocher, look closely at what you are writing about, thanks

Many thaniks, my dear Mistress Blocher
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The original article was published by "Die Welt Woche", a magazine known by its proximity to the SVP. Is there a need to say more?
Even before I got as far as your comment, I knew it would be Weltwoche.

Says it all really.
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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

What a load of rubbish! Hey, I'm Anglo-Irish with a posh Dublin accent (moderator - shurley an oxymoron?) and I've lived outside Ireland for the last 40 years in Britain, Belgium and Switzerland. Here are my ratings for foreign friendly ratings to the Irish: Britain: null points; Belgium 3 points; Switzerland: 7 points (No Swiss, (nor Belgian) ever called me a 'Paddy'). Okay, you're going to find some gobsxxxxs in CH who want to trash any other European nationality. You believe that similar organisations or gobos don't exist in Ireland? Wake up!
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I think so.

I know very little about Swiss politics but I would wonder why affiliation with any political party would produce these results?

Maybe a quick out line of the SVP principals, and how they would explain/justify this article would say more.
In Nazi-Germany there was a newspaper called "Der Stürmer" which had close ties with the NSDAP.

Last April Sybille Berg said the Die Weltwoche is the "new Stürmer".

You can also find a lot of comments on the internet which compare SPV advertisements with Nazi propaganda.

Disclaimer: The above paragraphs just state facts. I do not say or imply that Die Weltwoche is a new Stürmer nor that the SVP is related or associated with the NSDAP.
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I think so.

I know very little about Swiss politics but I would wonder why affiliation with any political party would produce these results?

Maybe a quick out line of the SVP principals, and how they would explain/justify this article would say more.
This affiliation recently lead to a Weltwoche attack against the Romandie. Irish in Switzerland generally are fairly popular. The Romandie here in Zürich is fairly popular.

The Weltwoche however is HMV of the SVP. I actually was a subscriber to the Weltwoche for decades, until it was taken over by the NSD..... sorry I mean by the Blocherites. And was turned into the mouthpiece of them within a few years. It is absolutely depressing to see how such a great weekly newspaper was turned into a political propaganda instrument .

What explanation or justification do you expect ? It has become the Pravda of the Blocherites, and Pravda means truth
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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

Says here that Antje Joel is a German Journalist. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antje_Joel

seems like an old woman got jilted or scorned while drunk herself at a bar and went to her room and wrote in an inflamed and angered state of mind?

Anyways... maybe try not to attribute all evil to the Swiss?... “when you see hoofprints look for horses, when you don’t find horses, look for zebras.”

Try not to always look for zebras first? or accuse zebras of making hoof-prints when it was horses...
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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

lots of comment on this article here
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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

You're all just jealous because your expat rants only get published in the complaints corner of EF.
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I am not Irish, I was born and went to school in a nice part of London. If anyone would experience racial hatred in Ireland, it would be me.

I first went to Arklow in April 1967, it was freezing cold and wet. The Irish people I met were all warm, welcoming, lovely, friendly and generous, quite the opposite to the Swiss people I have met here.

This year in June I returned to Ireland for the first time. I stayed 8 days in Galway and 2 nights in Killarney. It still rained a lot, but the countryside was breathtaking. The Irish people I met were all warm, welcoming, lovely, friendly and generous, quite the opposite to the Swiss people I have met here.

Ireland was wet, green, sunny, and glorious. Quite the opposite of Swiss foggy days, grey, cold and miserable. When I first moved to Murten, near Fribourg we did not see the sun from 2. January until 15th February: 6 weeks of cold grey fog!

So after 45 years the Irish and Ireland have remained attractive to me, and after visiting 3 areas of Ireland I received absolutely no hostility nor bitterness, despite being obviously English with a posh accent!

If anyone is racist here, it is the Swiss, and from the right wing side of politics blatantly so.

I too would feel insulted, this article is an absolute disgrace! It just shows how ignorant, arrogant and insular Swiss journalism can be!

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You've said some nice things about Ireland and the Irish - thanks for that - but still certain aspects of that article are not altogether inaccurate - the Irish do drink to a remarkable excess - they are also a woefully corrupt people - somewhere between the French and the Spanish on the scale of things (roughly Northern Europe > Ireland > Southern Europe >> Greece >> Africa).

The Swiss are a grand crowd as well - compared to the Irish they'd be both a bit boring and very liberal - almost a paradox. But they're not racist - they've got so many foreigners here in terms of proportion it's hard to imagine any other population being anything like as tolerant.
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Re: Swiss Magazine Attacks Irish in Slanderous Article

As much as I dislike the Weltwoche I think that this is a prime example of "lost in translation" and "lost in the wrong context".

Antje Joel, better known under her married name Antje Potthoff lives in Ireland and has written quite a few articles about her live there. Some of them are pure satire, some of them quite ironic, some of them very positive, if you understand German well enough to read between the lines, that is.
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To me there seems to be some damage limitation going on at Die Weltwoche.

On the blog kindly anounced by Dack Rambo, I don't see very much support for Antje Joel, but quite the opposite,

http://www.irlandnews.com/die-irisch...er-antje-joel/

One contributor points out that alcohol in Ireland is two to three times as expensive as in Germany, and hence the accusation is untrustworthy,

Eine Anmerkung zum Alkoholismus: Die Ausgaben für Alkohol in Euro sind in Irland sehr hoch. Allerdings kostet Alkohol hier zwei- bis dreimal so viel wie in Deutschland

The contributors, and I must assume they are right wing thinking Swiss, are suggesting the article be buried rather than broadcast further.

Whichever side you take, can we agree it is very damning and insulting?
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One contributor points out that alcohol in Ireland is two to three times as expensive as in Germany, and hence the accusation is untrustworthy,
I am waiting for the article that states that the Swiss are the biggest meat consumers in the world
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