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About "He after Mr Zuppiger is already the second prominent SVP man getting in to trouble"

Aren't you forgetting the one who is alleged to have broken bank secrecy - his name escapes me at the moment
I however do NOT forget the man who most likely is behind the moves against Zuppiger and Mörgeli, who is a leading SVP intrigator. I for a while worked under his command and learnt to detest him. He is eager to get rid of whomever is between him and the Grand-Ayatollah you have in mind
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Old 14.09.2012, 20:11
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

This whole story is just a jawing match between right wing Morgeli and his left wing bosses who'd like to see him disappear from their payroll. He obviously hasn't made many left wing friends at university in the past.

He's gonna loose his chair and he knows it - now he's trying to give them as much nasty sh* as possible before he's gone.
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This whole story is just a jawing match between right wing Morgeli and his left wing bosses who'd like to see him disappear from their payroll. He obviously hasn't made many left wing friends at university in the past.

He's gonna loose his chair and he knows it - now he's trying to give them as much nasty sh* as possible before he's gone.
As I presume that you are in dental micro-biology "on the hill" I guess you know a bit about the background and most likely will be proven right
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As I presume that you are in dental micro-biology "on the hill" I guess you know a bit about the background and most likely will be proven right
Sorry what ?
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

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I however do NOT forget the man who most likely is behind the moves against Zuppiger and Mörgeli, who is a leading SVP intrigator. I for a while worked under his command and learnt to detest him. He is eager to get rid of whomever is between him and the Grand-Ayatollah you have in mind
Seems the lovely Natalie Rickli has just announced "burn out"
Also a victim of in party intrigues I believe; winning more votes than the Grand Ayatollah in the last election was a poor career move.
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Old 15.09.2012, 12:31
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This whole story is just a jawing match between right wing Morgeli and his left wing bosses who'd like to see him disappear from their payroll. He obviously hasn't made many left wing friends at university in the past.

He's gonna loose his chair and he knows it - now he's trying to give them as much nasty sh* as possible before he's gone.
Possibly, probably but it would have been much more difficult for the lefties if Morgeli was widely known for doing a great job in this role
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Sorry what ?
Never mind. It as just a kind of "test" But, while you may be right, it is obvious that Mr Mörgeli IS vulnerable as he obviously did not do a splendid job at this museum. I however rather believe in inside-SVP intrigues.

Why? Because the Grand Ayatollah IS aging. And the "diadochs" are already fighting about his succession. And as the Zürich section of the party is particularily powerful it is obvious that the main-fight takes place in the Canton of Zürich. Peter Spuhler and Ulrich Giezendanner would be good and in my view the two best candidates to lead that party in a senseful way, but the chief-intrigator I have in mind will use all his many tricks to keep them out. I don't know whether the "burn-out" of Mrs Rickli is really medical or rather political. But can well imagine that it is a political step to keep out of trouble.
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Old 15.09.2012, 20:39
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Seems the lovely

Seems the lovely Natalie Rickli has just announced "burn out"
Also a victim of in party intrigues I believe; winning more votes than the Grand Ayatollah in the last election was a poor career move.
My guess would be depression, rather than burnout. Natalie, I believe, is a very intelligent young woman, and at this time may start to realize a few things, eg who the fellows are that she's been fighting with and what she's been standing for.

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I think SVP are already in a decline. Their younger exponents, like Alfred Heer, are way over the top, and with even the liberal parties now starting to discuss immigration, we may well see them disappear to relative meaninglessness.
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Old 15.09.2012, 23:42
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My guess would be depression, rather than burnout. Natalie, I believe, is a very intelligent young woman, and at this time may start to realize a few things, eg who the fellows are that she's been fighting with and what she's been standing for.


I think SVP are already in a decline. Their younger exponents, like Alfred Heer, are way over the top, and with even the liberal parties now starting to discuss immigration, we may well see them disappear to relative meaninglessness.
Fredy Heer always was ways over the top ! It is his way. This does not change the point that I regard him a very dangerous person. I have seen his step by step rise to power since he went into politics. He is intelligent but stubborn and immune to reason. I already back in the early 1980ies discussed matters in regard to the Arab World and Islam with him, but in spite of him acknowledging to be in error he later simply pushed forward his erranous beliefs into political propaganda.. He KNOWS that he is wrong but as he believes that it serves his intentions he does not hesitate to use and re-use the stuff endlessly. He repeatedly in airfreight companies gave company chiefs at ZRH the feeling to support them but then tried to take over through giving "information" to the top managements. Those attempts failed in the end, but I know one manager, possibly not the only one, who in the end had to resign. He then together with Mauro Tuena established an advisory company which more or less just is a tool to finance and organize the political careers of them. While Mauro Tuena is personally a nice guy, Fredy Heer remained the puke/minger he always was. But again, he will be dangerous even if the SVP drops to 15%, and never underestimate his tactical intelligence and his ruthlessness and his total lack of any hesitations, any compassion, and respect
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

The Sunday newspapers are making claims that Mörgeli will be released from his role in weeks. That is incredibly fast for academia who usually take years for such actions.

I guess Mörgeli trying to get the University to take disciplinary action against his boss was not very diplomatic & could have caused the university management to consolidate.

It seems Mörgeli's professional society also want him out but for other reasons?

The defence of Mörgeli by senior SVPers like Alfred Heer may also be not very diplomatic. Like many SVP supporters I work hard for my money & I do not have a lot of sympathy for someone who is being paid over 100K for a part time job that is claimed they do not bother doing.
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

Mr Mörgeli yesterday evening declared to be surprised by the allegations. And emphasized that he had made various proposals how to improve the museum which he described as a very nice and well kept one. According to him, there over the years was not much readiness to approve his proposals from the top.
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Mr Mörgeli yesterday evening declared to be surprised by the allegations. And emphasized that he had made various proposals how to improve the museum which he described as a very nice and well kept one. According to him, there over the years was not much readiness to approve his proposals from the top.
I saw that too.
I was surprised that was not his first response instead of trying to start disciplinary proceedings against his chief.
In his place I would have said exactly "that he had made various proposals how to improve the museum which he described as a very nice and well kept one. According to him, there over the years was not much readiness to approve his proposals from the top"
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

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In his place I would have said exactly "that he had made various proposals how to improve the museum which he described as a very nice and well kept one.
What difference does it make. The public can't save him his job. If his boss hates him and wants him out, he's out.
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What difference does it make. The public can't save him his job. If his boss hates him and wants him out, he's out.
The SVP love to portray themselves as the underdog who are being unfairly trodden on. If his dismissal seems inevitable, what better strategy than to capiatlise on that by making it seem like an unfair dismissal?
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

He must have seen this coming. He ain't stupid ...
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What difference does it make. The public can't save him his job. If his boss hates him and wants him out, he's out.
I agree but I assume he will look for another job? Then better for him to look like the innocent victim?
Currently he looks like the arrogant & agressive type whose response to criticism is to try to start disciplinary proceedings against his chief.
In these circumstances would you want to employ him?
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

And then he was gone:

Morgeli forced to quit his job
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Erm... 40 years ago was not the 'last' century
Actually it was. Think about it.
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Morgeli forced to quit his job
Indeed. After more than a quarter-century in that function. I think that for people working in that museum, an aera cam to an end this morning.

He will be paid for half a year, but relieved of his duties, and so very fairly treated in the end

That Messrs Fredy Heer and Tony Brunner are fuming with rage will not change a lot

To be clear, a major mistake of Mr Mörgeli was to try to do an 80% job, while most people in comparable positions (employee in a company / politician / part-time-journalist only accept 50% to 60% jobs. I hope that his experience will be a warning to new and young politicians in comparabloe functions to realize that the day only has 24 hours. You cannot A) work 6 hours on a job, B) 6 hours as politician and 4 hours as journalist

And another aspect is obvious. When a new supreme chief gets into office and meets a powerful chap who has been in office for a quarter-century, any such supreme chief will try to get rid of the "old" guy ---- and if personal hostility and rivalry rules the day, one has to go !

Fredy Heer now complaining about "political intrigues" shows to be a rather bizarre chap, as he always was "the mother of all intrigues" . Tony Brunner getting into rages in public even is simply ridiculous
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Indeed. After more than a quarter-century in that function. I think that for people working in that museum, an aera cam to an end this morning.

He will be paid for half a year, but relieved of his duties, and so very fairly treated in the end

That Messrs Fredy Heer and Tony Brunner are fuming with rage will not change a lot

To be clear, a major mistake of Mr Mörgeli was to try to do an 80% job, while most people in comparable positions (employee in a company / politician / part-time-journalist only accept 50% to 60% jobs. I hope that his experience will be a warning to new and young politicians in comparabloe functions to realize that the day only has 24 hours. You cannot A) work 6 hours on a job, B) 6 hours as politician and 4 hours as journalist

And another aspect is obvious. When a new supreme chief gets into office and meets a powerful chap who has been in office for a quarter-century, any such supreme chief will try to get rid of the "old" guy ---- and if personal hostility and rivalry rules the day, one has to go !

Fredy Heer now complaining about "political intrigues" shows to be a rather bizarre chap, as he always was "the mother of all intrigues" . Tony Brunner getting into rages in public even is simply ridiculous
Now the SVP want to campaign against "left wing" dominance in universities.

Bit of a double edged sword! One might conclude that highly intelligent people find "left wing" policies/strategies to be more logical & acceptable so could there be enough highly intelligent academics who find right wing policies to be OK?
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