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Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

From today's Tagesanzeiger;
Medical historian and SVP National is harshly criticized in a report by his boss. We're talking about errors in the museum and unprofessional care of the collection.
So far as I understand this article he gets paid some CHF105K yearly for this part time role but there are questions about value for money & what he actually does in return for this income.
Looks like he should spend more time on the day job
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

In general it makes you wonder how politicians of all countries can cope PROPERLY when they have sooooo many other mandates and jobs to be done.

I went to the Mörgeli museum to get information about an article I saw in a newspaper. Came away empty handed, informationless, and walking through the museum reminded me of the last century.

Our last Stadt president was employed (and paid of course) by my Krankenkasse, he had a desk there - but I never saw him at it.

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In general it makes you wonder how politicians of all countries can cope PROPERLY when they have sooooo many other mandates and jobs to be done.

I went to the Mörgeli museum to get information about an article I saw in a newspaper. Came away empty handed, informationless, and walking through the museum reminded me of the last century.

Our last Stadt president was employed (and paid of course) by my Krankenkasse, he had a desk there - but I never saw him at it.

Jobs for the Boys is almost as bad here as in England.
Was the museum based on the last century? If so, bravo!
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Was the museum based on the last century? If so, bravo!
It is



the Museum of Medical History, heavily concentrating on the 17th and 18th and 19th Centuries

And Mr Mörgeli of course is rather concentrating on his activities as Chief Ideologist and Chief Propagandist of the SVP . Some people possibly, after many years, realized this
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

The report says the museum has about 35 visitors each day, so he doesn't need to hire a receptionist!

Google translation:
"The curator in the 1980s, permanent exhibition is now sometimes wrong, unquestionably outdated and obsolete museological. The new directorate can not escape the impression that the good progress in Switzerland has come professionalization of museum work is so far missed the Museum of Medical History. Short-term adjustments to the permanent exhibition are inevitable, but in the medium term, we will have to deal with a new conception, when the museum is not to be closed. Currently, the museum of the history of scientific medicine in Zurich a big burden and certainly no asset represents"

The website is missing several pages. The man should be fired!
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The report says the museum has about 35 visitors each day, so he doesn't need to hire a receptionist!

Google translation:
"The curator in the 1980s, permanent exhibition is now sometimes wrong, unquestionably outdated and obsolete museological. The new directorate can not escape the impression that the good progress in Switzerland has come professionalization of museum work is so far missed the Museum of Medical History. Short-term adjustments to the permanent exhibition are inevitable, but in the medium term, we will have to deal with a new conception, when the museum is not to be closed. Currently, the museum of the history of scientific medicine in Zurich a big burden and certainly no asset represents"

The website is missing several pages. The man should be fired!

There are also statements like
  • the environment is important but 50% of the humidifiers do not work despite the fact there was recenly a costly exercise to remove mould fron exhibits
  • Many exhibits are on open shelves & covered in dust
  • There are places where human bones are not protected & being attacked by rats
The man should be fired
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The report says the museum has about 35 visitors each day, so he doesn't need to hire a receptionist!

Google translation:
"The curator in the 1980s, permanent exhibition is now sometimes wrong, unquestionably outdated and obsolete museological. The new directorate can not escape the impression that the good progress in Switzerland has come professionalization of museum work is so far missed the Museum of Medical History. Short-term adjustments to the permanent exhibition are inevitable, but in the medium term, we will have to deal with a new conception, when the museum is not to be closed. Currently, the museum of the history of scientific medicine in Zurich a big burden and certainly no asset represents"

The website is missing several pages. The man should be fired!
To put it in more moderate tones. He should be replaced by somebody who seriously puts efforts into leading that museum to success. I suggest, Christoph-Pasha from Herrliberg invests a few millions into this museum and makes it a show-piece
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Was the museum based on the last century? If so, bravo!

You got me there Confloozed!

What I did mean was the general condition of the surroundings and the almost complete lack of anything in the way of information as we understand it today. There's a great difference between the Landesmuseum today and how it was 40 years ago.

And 40 years ago, that is where the Mörgeli museum has stayed.
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

Erm... 40 years ago was not the 'last' century
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Re: Serious allegations against Professor Christoph Mörgeli

P-lease, the socialist Tages Anzeiger targets the staunchest ZH SVP-ler Mörgeli and you think that there's a real story here?

The Tagi would probably publish an anti- story if Mörgeli even thought about farting within 100 meters of a Kindergarten. I'd expect Fox News to praise North Korean advancements in weapons modernization before the Tagi wrote something nice about Mörgeli. I find him to be a well educated and well spoken man, who is rather monotone and dull with his admittedly conservative political views.
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P-lease, the socialist Tages Anzeiger targets the staunchest ZH SVP-ler Mörgeli and you think that there's a real story here?

The Tagi would probably publish an anti- story if Mörgeli even thought about farting within 100 meters of a Kindergarten. I'd expect Fox News to praise North Korean advancements in weapons modernization before the Tagi wrote something nice about Mörgeli. I find him to be a well educated and well spoken man, who is rather monotone and dull with his admittedly conservative political views.
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So far as I understand this article he gets paid some CHF105K..
His toupees are not directly free...
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P-lease, the socialist Tages Anzeiger targets the staunchest ZH SVP-ler Mörgeli and you think that there's a real story here?

The Tagi would probably publish an anti- story if Mörgeli even thought about farting within 100 meters of a Kindergarten. I'd expect Fox News to praise North Korean advancements in weapons modernization before the Tagi wrote something nice about Mörgeli. I find him to be a well educated and well spoken man, who is rather monotone and dull with his admittedly conservative political views.

He has studied Germanistik, history and political sciences, and worked for that museum since 1985. This means that he has a good education and some experience. Clear however is that he spent possibly too much time for politics and neglected his job to some extent. I DISlike "firing" ideas. I would prefer to see the new supervisory board to check up weakness of the place WITH Mr Mörgeli and explore ways to improve. Also clear is that Medical History is not exactly the pleasure of the masses.

I am happy that Mr Mörgeli is NOT a social-democrat as in that case the rightwingist NZZ and the SVP-paper Weltwoche would have jumped up and down in pleasure about these things
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Erm... 40 years ago was not the 'last' century
40 years ago = 1972
1972 was, I believe, in the 20th century AD.

Today = 2012
I understand 2012 to be in the 21st century AD.

Ergo, 1972 was last century.


Did I miss something?
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P-lease, the socialist Tages Anzeiger targets the staunchest ZH SVP-ler Mörgeli and you think that there's a real story here?

The Tagi would probably publish an anti- story if Mörgeli even thought about farting within 100 meters of a Kindergarten. I'd expect Fox News to praise North Korean advancements in weapons modernization before the Tagi wrote something nice about Mörgeli. I find him to be a well educated and well spoken man, who is rather monotone and dull with his admittedly conservative political views.
This TA-article http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/29070518/print.html shows that the criticizm against Mr Mörgeli does NOT come from Bund or Tages Anzeiger and contains serious matters. The TA anyway is NOT socialist unless you regard anything to the left of FDP and NZZ as socialist .

I am however, to repeat it, against firing Mr Mörgeli or anybody else in that museum, but believe that the new chief ought to work with the people already around to improve the situation.

And something else is to be mentioned. Other museums try to be noticed. The Museum of Medical History however is unknown to much of the local population. I hope, Mr Mörgeli will now revert some 20% of the time he gives to SVP and Weltwoche to the museum. Quite many museum nowadays have cafeterias which are often quite nice. And some of those cafeterias even are visited by people who are not visitors to the museums in question.

It may be mentioned that the man who placed the criticizm was factual in his tone and not aggressive. If Mr Mörgeli cannot cope with this, he of course can go elsewhere. But exactly the present negative publicity could be his advantage if he manages to show himself as a person who can deal correctly with problems

His close connections might attract sizeable donations from some SVP Ayatollas to that cause
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He has studied Germanistik, history and political sciences, and worked for that museum since 1985. This means that he has a good education and some experience. Clear however is that he spent possibly too much time for politics and neglected his job to some extent. I DISlike "firing" ideas. I would prefer to see the new supervisory board to check up weakness of the place WITH Mr Mörgeli and explore ways to improve. Also clear is that Medical History is not exactly the pleasure of the masses.

I am happy that Mr Mörgeli is NOT a social-democrat as in that case the rightwingist NZZ and the SVP-paper Weltwoche would have jumped up and down in pleasure about these things
What strikes me is that, if there is any truth to these allegations, that they are only discovered now? Are there no regular audits or inspections of university departments and services? Doesn't the Rektorat take at least a passing interest in the activities that are happening in its name? Can you imagine that it takes 40 years to notice that a museum isn't being run properly? I have difficulty believing that.
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What strikes me is that, if there is any truth to these allegations, that they are only discovered now? Are there no regular audits or inspections of university departments and services? Doesn't the Rektorat take at least a passing interest in the activities that are happening in its name? Can you imagine that it takes 40 years to notice that a museum isn't being run properly? I have difficulty believing that.
There apparently is a new Supervisory Board. And the report clearly proves that there were no regular audits/inspections in that . There WERE regular audits and inspections in many university departments and services, but as it become obvious right now, not in all of them. You have to realize that both the University itself and the University Hospital are very DEcentralized institutions, with bosses of department being small kings

But do not forget that Mr Mörgeli enjoyed guarding hands for many years, and as long as the SVP was gradually growing, quite obviously nobody dared to look into his fiefdom. He after Mr Zuppiger is already the second prominent SVP man getting in to trouble !
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40 years ago = 1972
1972 was, I believe, in the 20th century AD.

Today = 2012
I understand 2012 to be in the 21st century AD.

Ergo, 1972 was last century.


Did I miss something?

In all fairness sva was really pointing out that it was the last century.
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To put it in more moderate tones. He should be replaced by somebody who seriously puts efforts into leading that museum to success. I suggest, Christoph-Pasha from Herrliberg invests a few millions into this museum and makes it a show-piece
I like that idea; one solution for several problems.
Also more productive than spending millions on black & red posters.
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There apparently is a new Supervisory Board. And the report clearly proves that there were no regular audits/inspections in that . There WERE regular audits and inspections in many university departments and services, but as it become obvious right now, not in all of them. You have to realize that both the University itself and the University Hospital are very DEcentralized institutions, with bosses of department being small kings

But do not forget that Mr Mörgeli enjoyed guarding hands for many years, and as long as the SVP was gradually growing, quite obviously nobody dared to look into his fiefdom. He after Mr Zuppiger is already the second prominent SVP man getting in to trouble !
About "He after Mr Zuppiger is already the second prominent SVP man getting in to trouble"

Aren't you forgetting the one who is alleged to have broken bank secrecy - his name escapes me at the moment
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