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Old 01.10.2012, 00:16
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Mutually ratified standards, upheld between cooperative governments, was the first alternative you cited. .

You've suggested that I'm 'misinformed' and that I consider certain (unspecified) 'facts' unimportant.
You are uninformed because when country A imposes a quality standard on imports from country B, it is absolutely not mutual. It is not a government to government transaction - it is a government to supplier standard. For example, I was involved in a case recently where the Russian government imposed high quality and phytosanitary standards on any production originating in, or even passing through, Poland. The Polish Government didn't (of course) agree to it.

Anyway, I've tried explaining it to you and you appear to find it difficult to accept that your interpretation is not really consistent with the reality in that the thing you are so annoyed about is happening today, every day, in most countries. So I shall let you huff and puff and blow your house down, and wish you a nice evening
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Old 01.10.2012, 00:17
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It's a form of corporate and political terrorism on the part of the US, IMHO...This time painfully overt

What are the local's interpretation of how the Suisse are likely to react?...Will they capitulate or stand firm?
Neither this nor that. The inspectors will be welcomed and toured around the companies in question. Who will proudly show them their premises. But those inspectors will be closely supervised and be treated as what they ARE and that is industrial spies.
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Saw this on the Local website the other day:

http://thelocal.ch/page/view/swiss-c...r-bioterrorism

Really, this is getting just too ridiculous for words. Are they going into Cadbury's factories as well? Or Belgium's? What is their hangup with Switzerland?
There are NO words for this The US has truly taken a sharp turn into Crazytown!
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Re: US - Hands off our chocolates!

Maybe the US authorities are probably trying to protect Hershey's from good competition?

I found it amazing that the FDA contends that "imported food could be contaminated chemically or even in a radioactive way". Laughable.

That Hersey's crap must be full of wax and chemicals to keep it the way it is!
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Visit a Wegman's next time you visit the United States. That place is so clean it makes the local Migros look like a gas station in New Dehli.
I am very, very, very, familiar with Wegmans. I have shopped there before many times. Wegmans is known as one of the top employer's in USA. They do take care of the store and I enjoy their coconut donuts! However, when you walk in Wegmans and view their fruit section let's say their apples. They are all "shiny and waxed." Which is the usual USA way of "making things look good but they taste like crap!" Wegmans also carries some imported foods from Europe. Which would be the "only reason" why someone in the US would consider it "special." Additionally, they have all the usual US garbage but they dress it up nicely. I like that when I walk into Migros or Coop the fruit is not all waxed looking like a Norman Rockwell painting, and no I don't want fake watermelon in winter!

Why does USA let in all that garbage from China? What about all the animals that were killed because of pet food from China? The wheat from Monsanto that is actually no longer wheat but "Frankenstein Food?" What about all the ecoli and salmonella breakouts in USA? The meat there is nothing but antibiotics and hormones covered in flesh. I have found food stores in New York City that are better than Wegmans and they are not all spotless either!...LOL Wegmans is a "good" supermarket by US standards but for European standards, or Swiss standards they would have to get rid of most of the foods they carry. It's not all about "what something looks like" but "what's inside the package."...
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The wheat from Monsanto that is actually no longer wheat but "Frankenstein Food?"
They must lose loads of money; I've never seen a Frankenstein around, let alone one which eats.
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They must lose loads of money; I've never seen a Frankenstein around, let alone one which eats.
It's called "Frankenstein Food" for a good reason. Read-up about it.
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Re: US - Hands off our chocolates!

this story goes right up there with the stories about Bloomberg in NYC and his ban on "sugary" soft drinks, all of which articles of course failed to point out that none of the soft drinks Bloomberg wanted to ban had any real sugar in them at all but rather only high-fructose corn syrup.



I'm pretty sure my kids face far less danger from Swiss chocolate than they do from corn syrup, consumer herbicides, GMO corn, crossbred "chickens" and hormone and steroid laden beef and dairy.
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You are uninformed because when country A imposes a quality standard on imports from country B, it is absolutely not mutual. It is not a government to government transaction - it is a government to supplier standard...
Ah, so now I am not only misinformed, but uninformed. And what I (apparently) don't know is that "quality standards" are not "mutual". On exactly what do you base the conclusion that I don't know this? You seem to be hell-bent on evading the simple fact that the US policy goes well beyond being "not mutual", and instead unilaterally compels the overseas reception of inspection agents in private enterprise facilities, where standards already exceed those practiced in the homeland of those very agents. (Will you ever comment on that fact?)

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...I was involved in a case recently where the Russian government imposed high quality and phytosanitary standards on any production originating in, or even passing through, Poland. The Polish Government didn't (of course) agree to it...
So...? Are your anecdotes somehow meant to excuse US inspections of overseas chocolate production facilities? Is this supposed to be an apples-to-apples comparison? (If so, I fail to see exactly how.)

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...I've tried explaining it to you and you appear to find it difficult to accept that your interpretation is not really consistent with the reality...
What I find "difficult to accept" is the notion that your various anecdotes somehow justify unilaterally imposed overseas inspectors of privately operated chocolate plants.

Mutually agreed standards and inspection methods are not the same thing. Nor are market-driven variations in quality. But you seem to find it difficult to accept that your favorite anecdotes in this arena fail to anticipate a government 's arbitrary, unilateral dispatch of inspectors on foreign soil, where quality standards already meet or exceed those enforced "at home".
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Will you ever comment on that fact?
No. I have undergone a Damascan revelation.

The US government are clearly doing something very, very naughty because they are nasty people and trying to exert their power on the world not only by invading and controlling the world's crude oil production which was their first priority and now they are moving on to infiltrate the Swiss chocolate industry because Islamic fundamentalists eat Toblerone.

You are absolutely right in everything you have written and I apologise for not seeing it sooner. The fact that ALL governments do this today and have been doing the same thing for years blinded me to the power of your arguments. I'm sorry

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It's called "Frankenstein Food" for a good reason. Read-up about it.
Because Frankenstein was a work of fiction and so are most of the things available to read up?
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Because Frankenstein was a work of fiction and so are most of the things available to read up?
Check this out: "Opponents of genetically modified food often refer to it as "Frankenfood", after Mary Shelley's character Frankenstein and the monster he creates. The term was coined in 1992 by Paul Lewis, an English professor at Boston College who used the word in a letter he wrote to the New York Times in response to the decision of the US Food and Drug Administration to allow companies to market genetically modified food. The term "Frankenfood" has become a battle cry of the European side in the US-EU agricultural trade war."

You can read more about it here, and here . Let me know if you need more...LOL
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Liar. You've proven you don't have a sense of humour.
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Liar. You've proven you don't have a sense of humour.
You are a "non-factor." Now, that IS funny...LOL

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Check this out: "Opponents of genetically modified food often refer to it as "Frankenfood", after Mary Shelley's character Frankenstein and the monster he creates. The term was coined in 1992 by Paul Lewis, an English professor at Boston College who used the word in a letter he wrote to the New York Times in response to the decision of the US Food and Drug Administration to allow companies to market genetically modified food. The term "Frankenfood" has become a battle cry of the European side in the US-EU agricultural trade war."

You can read more about it here, and here . Let me know if you need more...LOL
In German speaking Europe, NOBODY speaks about "Frankenfood" but about
http://www.politaia.org/kriege/frank...-politaia-org/
Frankenstein-Nahrung . For the simple reason that Franken is an area in Northern Bavaria producing
http://www.gwf-frankenwein.de/

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and Frankenfood
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A4nkische_K%C3%BCche

has a good reputation

Beside the point that what is France in French and English is FRANKreich in German and named after the Germanic people who around 400AD conquered what later became France. And they were the Franken.

THIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein
shows that the monster was, in that novel, not Frankenstein but created BY Frankenstein just as Frankenstein-Food is created by "Frankensteins" today
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In German speaking Europe, NOBODY speaks about "Frankenfood" but about
http://www.politaia.org/kriege/frank...-politaia-org/
Frankenstein-Nahrung . For the simple reason that Franken is an area in Northern Bavaria producing
http://www.gwf-frankenwein.de/

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and Frankenfood
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A4nkische_K%C3%BCche

has a good reputation

Beside the point that what is France in French and English is FRANKreich in German and named after the Germanic people who around 400AD conquered what later became France. And they were the Franken.

THIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein
shows that the monster was, in that novel, not Frankenstein but created BY Frankenstein just as Frankenstein-Food is created by "Frankensteins" today
Good post, but it's a bit "off" from the term "Frankenstein Food" in relation to the USA situation. Good info though...
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...The fact that ALL governments do this today...
...Even though you can't name a single one.

(Which is still my only point.)
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...Even though you can't name a single one.

(Which is still my only point.)
Russia. UK. Israel. Spain.

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Russia. UK. Israel. Spain.
...And where exactly is the corroborating documentation that Russia, the UK, Israel, and Spain have unilaterally required overseas inspection by their own agents of private enterprise specialty food production facilities on foreign soil?
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...And where exactly is the corroborating documentation that Russia, the UK, Israel, and Spain have unilaterally required overseas inspection by their own agents of private enterprise specialty food production facilities on foreign soil?
I added one for you
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