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Of course natural energy can be a very real solution. It has a lot to do with conscious usage of energy. Google what is planned for the Karoo in South Africa, it is a bit scary. Living "off the grid" is not really that involved. Fracking, nuclear and all means of sourcing energy via upsetting the balance of of mother earth are all a bit too silly for me. Ultimately it will all be gone and thus we need to find ways to sustain our lifestyles with energy that comes at no cost to the earth which we are supplies us with all our needs.
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Here have a nightmare or two from me.
Up until the seventies the Americans used Nukes to release natural gas, a nukefrak if you want, during operation plowshare.
Sadly the gas thus won was highly radioactive, we should be thankful for that or fraking would be a lot easier for the frakers.
(Frakers, is that a word or not? Maybe I should take a copyright out.)
All suggestions to solve the coming energy problem are a waste of time, Slammer's method would be to cull the human population to around 1.5 billion, only then will we have a sustainable economy and a future for mankind.
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I think someone should come out and frack my bedroom, because there often seems to be a lot of gas emanating from my husband's side of the bed.
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Bwahahahaha, at least you are not on the east coast of usa right now. I have heard of an instrument for your problem however.....lol
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yeah fracking is the ticket! Because we can drink oil, it true, just ask Exxon.
Unfortunatly unlike the case that happened in Ohio many people in western Colorado were not given such a choice thanks to B.L.M. They said no, the next week they woke up with a rig in their back yard.
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Of course natural energy can be a very real solution. It has a lot to do with conscious usage of energy. Google what is planned for the Karoo in South Africa, it is a bit scary. Living "off the grid" is not really that involved. Fracking, nuclear and all means of sourcing energy via upsetting the balance of of mother earth are all a bit too silly for me. Ultimately it will all be gone and thus we need to find ways to sustain our lifestyles with energy that comes at no cost to the earth which we are supplies us with all our needs.
Nuclear power isn't "natural"? Never heard of Oklo or that big ball of fusing hydrogen known as "the sun"?

If we haven't got technology and adequate power then we won't be able to save all the fluffy bunnies when the five-mile asteroid on collision course hoves into view. That will cause rather more of an environmental disaster than any "rape and pillage" of the earths natural resources.

Ah, this short-term thinking.

What we really need is some decent power generation in space and a way of beaming it down to earth. Unfortunately, any use of energy inevitably results in heat production, so you end up with a very warm earth. Life itself is detrimental to the earth. Only a sterile planet will remain pristine.
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It is also interesting to read that there are measurements that point to high concentrations of uranium and thorium on mars.
Time to get a prospecting.
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Old 30.10.2012, 15:31
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It is also interesting to read that there are measurements that point to high concentrations of uranium and thorium on mars.
Time to get a prospecting.
That means there'll be no democracy on Mars any time soon, but some nice friendly dictators supported by Western governments.
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Gasland? are you serious? Jesus Christ.
How any reasonable, sane person can believe that load of tripe is beyond me.

Frackings been going on since the 1940s. Its not new, its an old technology thats recently been made more viable due to the oil crisis.

Its safe. Its just a shame theres so much misinformation (and so many gullible fools to buy it) out there.

I for one, want stable energy prices, less dependance on Russia and the middle east, more jobs, a safer economy, and a viable stopgap until we perfect renewable sources. But hey, thats just me.
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Old 14.11.2012, 12:09
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Gasland? are you serious? Jesus Christ.
How any reasonable, sane person can believe that load of tripe is beyond me.

Frackings been going on since the 1940s. Its not new, its an old technology thats recently been made more viable due to the oil crisis.

Its safe. Its just a shame theres so much misinformation (and so many gullible fools to buy it) out there.

I for one, want stable energy prices, less dependance on Russia and the middle east, more jobs, a safer economy, and a viable stopgap until we perfect renewable sources. But hey, thats just me.
That viable stopgap is called Nuclear. But unfortunately it's extremely evil. Even the electrons are evil, which is why you can pay a premium to get only electrons out of windmills. And we all know Mühleberg and Gösgen are in the middle of a tsunami zone and they're going to blow up and minute and we'll all be dead.
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Gasland? are you serious? Jesus Christ.
How any reasonable, sane person can believe that load of tripe is beyond me.

Frackings been going on since the 1940s. Its not new, its an old technology thats recently been made more viable due to the oil crisis.

Its safe. Its just a shame theres so much misinformation (and so many gullible fools to buy it) out there.

I for one, want stable energy prices, less dependance on Russia and the middle east, more jobs, a safer economy, and a viable stopgap until we perfect renewable sources. But hey, thats just me.
Yes. That was probably just some inventive camera work! To get water to set alight as it comes out of taps.
Those people looking sick while viewing their "dead" ponds - actors and stage craft!
Lorries rumbling through towns - more theatrics!

Must be good money making these silly videos huh?
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That viable stopgap is called Nuclear. But unfortunately it's extremely evil. Even the electrons are evil, which is why you can pay a premium to get only electrons out of windmills. And we all know Mühleberg and Gösgen are in the middle of a tsunami zone and they're going to blow up and minute and we'll all be dead.
If Nuclear waste is disposed of correctly, agreed. But after Fukushima, im not certain any more will be built. Havent a few European countries already (or are considering) banning the construction of more?
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Yes. That was probably just some inventive camera work! To get water to set alight as it comes out of taps.
Those people looking sick while viewing their "dead" ponds - actors and stage craft!
Lorries rumbling through towns - more theatrics!

Must be good money making these silly videos huh?

Ok, lets analyse this, shall we?

>water setting alight coming out of taps.
Do you think the other end of your tap is directly in the underground aquifer? I have some news for you. It isnt.
If water quality was compromised, do you not think the EPA, or the countless other agencies who monitor water safety would stop it? After that hideous piece of fiction was release, regulators in Colorado were so incensed they debunked it almost immediately. The methane that is detected in water is not the same type of methane found in gas deposits. It is naturally occuring, already-present biogenic methans. I suggest you learn the difference before making foolish comments on internet forums.

>people looking sick on TV looking at 'dead' surface ponds?
It is not possible for shale gas (or fracking) to affect surface water ponds, since it is done 5000 feet underground, beneath several layers of impermeable (ie waterproof, gasproof) rock. Incidentally, aquifers are around 1000 feet underground generally. What is possible is service companies not controlling the impact on the local area, but this is the case for every single one of the hundreds of thousands of wells in the US , not the fracing ones. If you buy a chair, and its legs are bent, is it the fault of the wood itself, or the fault of the guy who prepared the chair? If the service companies fail, then the full force of the law should come down on them. But know where the blame lies before you start pointing fingers.

As for lorries rumbling through towns, thats progress. Do you think the millions of dollars of value those lorries bring to the community are equally reviled? thought not. The hoteliers, the restaurants, the supermakets, the bars...They dont mind. Look at the big picture.

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If Nuclear waste is disposed of correctly, agreed. But after Fukushima, im not certain any more will be built. Havent a few European countries already (or are considering) banning the construction of more?
Yes, and that's precisely why all this fracking is going on. They want to replace nuclear plants by gas power plants and to hell with clean water and global warming.

Okay, maybe you can contain and control the risks of fracking. But why fix something that ain't broke? Nuclear power is much cheaper and more sustainable. The waste problem can also be solved if only politicians had the will to find and implemet a solution rather than the will to sabotage that solution at every possible turn.
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Yes, and that's precisely why all this fracking is going on. They want to replace nuclear plants by gas power plants and to hell with clean water and global warming.

Okay, maybe you can contain and control the risks of fracking. But why fix something that ain't broke? Nuclear power is much cheaper and more sustainable. The waste problem can also be solved if only politicians had the will to find and implemet a solution rather than the will to sabotage that solution at every possible turn.

Agreeed. Its 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. But we're in very real danger of losing whichever 6 we have, and shooting ourselves in the foot. and allowing an energy crisis to develop.
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