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Once armed, we'd nail it straight south, looting all groceries on the way to the most readily accessible shoreline. We'd signal the boat with the car lights using an agreed morse code pattern that spells out the word 'buttcandle'.
i very literally spat water all over my desk at this bit.

Buttcandle??

LOL!

and your ammo calibers im not sure i agree with. the swiss 7.5x55 is a great round and the k31s and stgw57s which are in every gun store from here to lugano got em. not only that but in the 3d terrain of switzerland, youd want to be able to reach out and hit the walkers from long ranges, too, since youll be able to see them coming up the hillsides slowly.

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and your ammo calibers im not sure i agree with. the swiss 7.5x55 is a great round and the k31s and stgw57s which are in every gun store from here to lugano got em. not only that but in the 3d terrain of switzerland, youd want to be able to reach out and hit the walkers from long ranges, too, since youll be able to see them coming up the hillsides slowly.
You'd need something like the 7.5 or better because the universal 5.56 just ain't up to the job.

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You'd need something like the 7.5 or better because the universal 5.56 just ain't up to the job.
Well, you have to aim for the head of course, d'uh...everybody knows that!
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Watch the documentary video called "Gasland", and then Google GM foods/seeds.
Some of the evidence presented in Gasland is, shall we say, questionable and the facts are still subject to scientific investigation.

GM foods have been around since we started making corn out of wild teosinte and crossing potatoes to make them non-toxic. Unless you subsist by foraging for un-farmed species, you are eating GM food; be it "organic", "Fairtrade" or whatever, it's the product of humans tinkering with genomes.

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What America is doing to itself, is spreading to Europe also. Fracking is planned for 2050, in Germany, France, and Poland, as yet. Could begin sooner?
Fracking is not a new technology, even if the controversy and awareness is new. Putting groundwater reserves at risk with fracking is certainly not a good long-term strategy, but there are certainly parts of Europe where shale gas is found which are not reliant on aquifers for water supplies.

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Despite the "wonder "crops of America, (soya is already GM) their farmers are having to kill their dairy herds because they no longer can afford to feed them. Beginning with the animals ...... ?
GM crops are not always developed with the aim of keeping costs down - golden rice was developed to stop people from going blind, not to be cheaper.

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Everyone places so much value on money. But without food and water, what use is money?
On this I think we can all agree. People have been using technology to make money from food since the end of subsistence farming, and have largely put profit over long-term consequence ever since then. It's nothing new.
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Old 19.10.2012, 17:38
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Despite the "wonder "crops of America, (soya is already GM) their farmers are having to kill their dairy herds because they no longer can afford to feed them. Beginning with the animals ...... ?

Everyone places so much value on money. But without food and water, what use is money?
Actually, I'm more interested in climate change and the effects thereof. Farmers in the midwest this year have had to reduce their herds and livestock quite a lot as, due to the extreme heat and drought this year, the feed is too expensive (not to mention the stress on the animals over the summer) thus there will be cheap meat this fall followed by a marked increase in price early next year due to low supply. They're already talking about a 'bacon shortage' not to mention anything that relies on corn (something like 70% of processed foods) will also increase in price. Drought-resistant crops does not mean drought-proof. The long-range models for next year show no relief for the midwest, either....i.e. http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...oma/6638636001
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Actually, I'm more interested in climate change and the effects thereof. Farmers in the midwest this year have had to reduce their herds and livestock quite a lot as, due to the extreme heat and drought this year, the feed is too expensive (not to mention the stress on the animals over the summer) thus there will be cheap meat this fall followed by a marked increase in price early next year due to low supply. They're already talking about a 'bacon shortage' not to mention anything that relies on corn (something like 70% of processed foods) will also increase in price. Drought-resistant crops does not mean drought-proof. The long-range models for next year show no relief for the midwest, either....i.e. http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...oma/6638636001
True, and the real worry here is human nature.

Humanity isn't very good at preventing unrealized future risks, however dangerous and real those risks may be. The farther into the future those risks are, the less likely people are to do anything about it. If the risk is more than a couple years into the future, you can bet it will only be discussed at an academic level, and frankly that scares me. We're probably going to be stuck with the devastating effect of climate change and eat the costs of the disaster.

Next time you're in New York City, look at the line of people handing over their entire weeks pay in exchange for hundreds of lottery tickets. That's how bad the majority of humans are at dealing with risk. They might not all be compulsive gamblers, but they have the same unsophisticated approach to managing risk. You can see it manifested in a thousand different ways every day:

The people who refuse to wear their seatbelt because they're only making a short trip to the store.

The people who don't care about invasion of privacy because they "have nothing to hide", completely oblivious to the fact that their private information could be used in a harmful way against them if there is a breach of security.

People who drink and hunt. People who drink and perform construction work. People who don't wear safety equipment while they perform mechanical or construction work.

People who don't install smoke alarms in their house, or people who do install smoke alarms and fail the change the battery on a timely basis.

The father in law who makes his daughter run underneath the garage door after drinking copious amounts of liquor and Xanax when he erroneously believe that the door has a safety stop, when in fact it does not. Okay, maybe that one is just my experience, but you get the picture.

That is why I don't hold out much hope for humanity calculating the risks of climate change and doing something proactive about it, but I hope I'm wrong.
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i very literally spat water all over my desk at this bit.

Buttcandle??

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I lost it at buttcandle as well
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Old 20.10.2012, 11:49
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Maybe you ,I mean the brewery, need me for protection .I still remember how the sigg 57 works.But my aim .Do you have a bunker ??
The

is becoming history very rapidly now, even
if some will become available in shops

as the thing the soldiers have now


is far smaller, far lighter and far better

------

I cannot even tell whether the


still is part of the standard equipment now, in spite of it being so practical for
- grilling servelats
- blocking doors
- stabilizing unstable tables
and more such intelligent purposes
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Actually, I'm more interested in climate change and the effects thereof. Farmers in the midwest this year have had to reduce their herds and livestock quite a lot as, due to the extreme heat and drought this year, the feed is too expensive (not to mention the stress on the animals over the summer) thus there will be cheap meat this fall followed by a marked increase in price early next year due to low supply. They're already talking about a 'bacon shortage' not to mention anything that relies on corn (something like 70% of processed foods) will also increase in price. Drought-resistant crops does not mean drought-proof. The long-range models for next year show no relief for the midwest, either....i.e. http://www.accuweather.com/en/weathe...oma/6638636001
The environment etc here in Switzerland on a federal level is in the hands of the UVEK (Ministry of traffic, communication, energy and environment = Mrs Leuthard; CVP) and the Ministry of the Interior (Alain Berset, SP), while the army is in the Ministry of Defence (Ueli Maurer, SVP) .

Ueli Maurer, the only SVP man in the Federal government, has a difficult position.
-- He was on good personal terms with Micheline Calmy-Rey in spite of her having been (being of course) rather left-wing SP
-- and has a good relationship with Mrs Leuthard
BUT detests
- Alain Berset (Federal Interior Minister) ,
who is too leftist/liberal for his taste
- Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf (Federal Finance Minister),
who once ousted the Ayatollah fm Herrliberg
& regards the military as too expensive anyway
- Didier Burkhalter, the Foreign Minister who for SVP views is
far too open towards the rest of the world, and too liberal anyway
- Simonetta Sommaruga, the leftwing-SP Federal Justice Minister who
is opposed to greedy farmers and SVP monopolists
- Johann Scheider-Ammann, the Minister of the Economy, who for his
taste is too liberal, too Bernese (Langenthal) and too "French" having
had parts of his education in Fontainebleau near Paris

so that he gratefully embrace any scenario available, particularily if it meets the ANTI-EU philosophy of his party
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The

is becoming history very rapidly now, even
if some will become available in shops

as the thing the soldiers have now


is far smaller, far lighter and far better

------

I cannot even tell whether the


still is part of the standard equipment now, in spite of it being so practical for
- grilling servelats
- blocking doors
- stabilizing unstable tables
and more such intelligent purposes
I think I'd rather use my Remington 700 .338 Lapua. Lots of energy, will penetrate layers upon layer of body armor, one shot kills out to more than a mile. I really don't understand the 5.56.
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I think I'd rather use my Remington 700 .338 Lapua. Lots of energy, will penetrate layers upon layer of body armor, one shot kills out to more than a mile. I really don't understand the 5.56.
But can you use the Remington 700 to grill a Cervelat ?
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But can you use the Remington 700 to grill a Cervelat ?


A couple rounds of .338 Lapua API should grill just about anything.

So, Wollishofener, what does your gun collection look like?
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A couple rounds of .338 Lapua API should grill just about anything.

So, Wollishofener, what does your gun collection look like?
I handed back my military rifle when the time was up, and so do NOT own ANY guns. And even had to hand back the bayonet. The only nice thing I of course could keep was the nice and useful black pocket knife I had got from my last commander
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A couple rounds of .338 Lapua API should grill just about anything.

So, Wollishofener, what does your gun collection look like?

Looks like someone is using it http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...w/16906712.cms
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Hello jdeere:

Agree and disagree with you arguments, but that’s what makesfor good discussion. Western civilization is dying a slow death. There will be no recovery, only more debt owed to the future superpowers of China, Russia, etc.

Switzerland would never “police” Europe as you mentioned. You apparently have never been to Detroit, where 3rd-word countries are jealous of the abandonment, crime, and general hopelessness and despair of a once-great US city that is now an absolute hell-hole.
"Western Civilization" isn't dying at all. all that "debt" you refer to is mostly treasuries and govt. bonds at next to no interest, i.e. the money was basically free to the issuers, and most of the "growth" in China and Russia are due to the fact that their economies are still 100 years behind the rest of the world. the fact that those countries are perfectly content to pollute their environments and exploit their labor force the same way Western countries did 100 years ago helps the "growth", too.

50 years ago we dumb-assed Americans thought another ice age was coming, and 30 years ago we thought the Japanese were taking over our country. funny how perspectives have changed, huh?
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The only nice thing I of course could keep was the nice and useful black pocket knife I had got from my last commander
That's really nice. It seems that you had a good working relationship with your last commander?
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50 years ago we dumb-assed Americans thought another ice age was coming
Another lovely myth. Too bad it doesn't have Jesus riding velociraptors in it. It'd be even more believable!

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-cooling-myth/
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That's really nice. It seems that you had a good working relationship with your last commander?
The whole group of my age got such a knife. And yes, our relationship to the boss was absolutely great. I admit that it was a special unit, and not a usual one.
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The

is becoming history very rapidly now, even
if some will become available in shops

as the thing the soldiers have now


is far smaller, far lighter and far better

------

I cannot even tell whether the


still is part of the standard equipment now, in spite of it being so practical for
- grilling servelats
- blocking doors
- stabilizing unstable tables
and more such intelligent purposes

the stgw57, which shoots the 7.5x55 round, is available at virtually any corner gunstore for a few hundred CHF at this point.

the stgw90 is much lighter, nicer, and more modern and better for fighting modern battles against foreign militaries. however we're talking about HORDES OF THE UNDEAD HERE. I for one would rather have a rifle that can knock the head off a zombie at 600m! (and because theyre waaaaaay waaaay cooler looking )

and that bayonet above is the stgw57, and no, the 90 doesnt use it. they have a different one.

my fave swiss bayonet was the pionier 1914 faschinenmesser type dealio

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