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The lamb when bleeding out already were dead. The point is that the lamb is killed and then bleeded out .

"Blunt" knives ? They for sure simply used the best knifes they had. And I would wonder about the "bluntness" of those tools. Suggest you go and test those "blunt" things on your fingers !
What's the relevance of this? Should we condone/condemn the crime because we like Shish kebab and dislike farmers or because we dislike Tunisians and like proper meat? It does not matter, they stole an animal, slaughtered it and thus committed a crime.

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Nothing halal about using a blunt knife.

It's funny, though, how what everyone is picking up here is that they were Tunisian, asylum seekers, muslims - not that they were just nasty, cruel bastards like quite a lot of other people who don't happen to be Tunisian, asylum seekers or muslims.

But we're not racist - oh no! Perish the thought!
Aggression DB, beware of it, it can devour one.

When seeking asylum in a foreign country one should tread warily and obey the laws of that land - not bring one`s own violence into the peaceful society one is hoping will accept and nurture one.

So, yes, Tunisians did the dirty deed, apparently? Foreigners. Why get snarky about them being foreigners? If they were Swiss one could not then use the word "racist". Would that have made it a more acceptable crime?
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Why get snarky about them being foreigners?
That's what I'd like to ask you.
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Aggression DB, beware of it, it can devour one.

When seeking asylum in a foreign country one should tread warily and obey the laws of that land - not bring one`s own violence into the peaceful society one is hoping will accept and nurture one.

So, yes, Tunisians did the dirty deed, apparently? Foreigners. Why get snarky about them being foreigners? If they were Swiss one could not then use the word "racist". Would that have made it a more acceptable crime?
True but the fact is that the thread was started with the tittle assylum seekers. I agree when seeking assylum whzy on earth would you put it in jeopardy? Unfortunately, the background of said assylum seekers is so different to our reality one cannot even begin to understand...
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Nothing halal about using a blunt knife.

It's funny, though, how what everyone is picking up here is that they were Tunisian, asylum seekers, muslims - not that they were just nasty, cruel bastards like quite a lot of other people who don't happen to be Tunisian, asylum seekers or muslims.

But we're not racist - oh no! Perish the thought!
Dont you understand, Dougal? if you're tunisian, muslim, and an asylum seeker, you're gauranteed to be a nasty cruel bastard. No trial necassary, you dont need to prove it, you just are. Similarly, the non-tunisian, non-muslim, natives, are delightful people with not a bad bone in their body.

I really do wish people would wake up and realise that evil nasty people exist within all corners of the world. Why their nationality, religion, or legal status needs to be mentioned is beyond me (well, its not, really. People have an agenda they want to push, thats all).

Incidentally, you're right, a blunt knife would make it haraam (opposite of halal). But how on earth does EF know what sort of knife was used?
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Suggest you go and test those "blunt" things on your fingers !
why would I do that?
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But how on earth does EF know what sort of knife was used?
because the knives used were recovered by police and shown on the TV report.
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I wonder if the people on here have ever met any real live refugees. PM me if you're interested.

It wasn't a fun experience and much of my extended family had to undergo the same process. I have relatives that walked across borders-- risking their lives and some were murdered by smugglers, more than one paid off prison officials to get out of a death sentences. Yeah, they had criminal records, for working for illegal newspapers, propaganda and/or spying.

Gah... I have trouble even reading this stuff.
I know quite a few ex-asylum seekers, because I come from a country where people tried to escape from, and that was not so long ago... I know the courage and madness it takes, the hell some people have been through, provided they survived the shooting from both borders...Can anyone imagine what's like to cross the Danube by swimming, be prisoned in Serbia, then given back to Romanian authorities as a "country traitor" and executed? No. But it happened. Oh, so many times. Yeah, I have an idea what they are going through.
Those who are lucky enough to have made it, if they come from such places, where you could have criminal record for speaking up your mind, most probably take the chance they have..
We all have this disturbing tendency to think high of ourselves and low about others.
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because the knives used were recovered by police and shown on the TV report.

Sorry. Didnt realise you can tell how sharp a knife is from seeing it in a TV report. My bad.

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Willful damage to property and the police were incapable of arresting them? WTF? That just sounds plain wrong.

sometimes the swiss police amazes me with their protocol
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What's the relevance of this? Should be condone/condemn the crime because we like Shish kebad and dislike farmers or because we dislike Tunisians and like proper meat? It does not matter, they stole an animal, slaughtered it and thus committed a crime.
A) it is of relevance in regard to the statement which sounds as if the lamb only died AFTER having been bleeding out, which is WRONG
B) to steal a lamb is THEFT, sure. The question however is not a moral one at all, but a legal one. Is it a severe crime in accordance with the law ? or is it a minor crime according to the law ?
C) the two chambers of parliament spent a lot of time to make definitions and experts are ironing out the details. You of course can claim that all members of parliament are dimwits and interested to spread out such things but I do not see them like this

ABC = Yes they will land up in front of a judicial judge. But the result for them will be a fine, hardly more.

Whether the farmer trembles with rage is irrelevant. Relevant is the law !

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why would I do that?
To test whether the knifes are really as blunt as reported

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because the knives used were recovered by police and shown on the TV report.
But what sort of knives were used is legally absolutely IRRELEVANT

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sometimes the swiss police amazes me with their protocol
The police were actually there.

I doubt if any of the contributors to this thread were.

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What's the relevance of this? Should be condone/condemn the crime because we like Shish kebad and dislike farmers or because we dislike Tunisians and like proper meat? It does not matter, they stole an animal, slaughtered it and thus committed a crime.
I love the fact you consider halal meat not 'proper meat'. Im sure the billions of muslims in the world would agree with you. I bet you never even registered what you implied, did you?

Incidentally, i love shish kebabs.
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I doubt if any of the contributors to this thread were.


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Sorry. Didnt realise you can tell how sharp a knife is from seeing it in a TV report. My bad.

Think before you post.
TV reporter stated that the knives were blunt.
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I know quite a few ex-asylum seekers, because I come from a country where people tried to escape from,
That makes it sound as if you were the reason they were trying to escape?
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I thought the police had the knives? why would they let TV reporters test how sharp they were?
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Re: Violent asylum seekers?

Wow! This is the first 'post' of read of negative behaviour in Switzerland...maybe I've been living with my head in the clouds
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And Oly, the reason why asylum applicants are mostly men is that they go first, get asylum and then apply for family reunification.
That means they are leaving their family behind, unprotected, in a country that is persecuting them.

Not a deed that exactly makes me respect their courage.
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That means they are leaving their family behind, unprotected, in a country that is persecuting them.

Not a deed that exactly makes me respect their courage.

As opposed to staying with them in the knowledge they (and themselves) will almost certainly be harmed (and possibly killed)?
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