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Old 12.12.2007, 12:40
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Yep and i really hope she does and that the parrty will cut their losses and be happy to have saved a seat for the party in the Bundesrat, they can then still try to get Blocher re elected in four years time!
Hmm in four years Blocher will be 71 years old... This isn't Italy!
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Old 12.12.2007, 12:41
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Old 12.12.2007, 13:29
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Re: Election of Bundesrat

I've found the rejection of SVP motions and candidates basically across the board to be the as interesting as the defeat of Blocher. The two chambers voted down a motion to delay the entire electoral process until 1 PM by a pretty wide margin, which would tend to mean that almost everyone outside of the SVP voted against it. The SVP also lost to the CVP's Casanova in the election for Bundeskanzler(in) (124 CVP, 64 SVP, and 52 FDP). This election, though, had been up in the air for quite some time, so it is not a big surprise. She happens to be from Graubünden as well...

All in all a pretty dark day for the SVP. Apparently Widmer-Schlumpf is now in Zürich, so a great deal of uncertainty is likely to remain for the next few hours -- she still has to get to Bern. I hope she accepts and presume that outside of the few SVP supporters among my in-laws most of Swiss I know would agree.

This has come as a rather big surprise to most, as it had been reported yesterday that the CVP would not vote against Blocher... I wonder how the SVP will respond to the "conspiracy" / "plot" against -- or, properly put, the rejection of -- Blocher in the end.
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Old 12.12.2007, 13:52
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Re: Election of Bundesrat

Unbelievable, I still hear the opposition "threat" on the radio. They're not going this route if they think two seconds about it.

Either Widmer-Schlumpf accepts and everybody can win.

Or she declines and the SVP choses again Blocher as candidate. Then it depends on the CVP's reaction, are they going to counter the SVP's impudence with an own candidate or will they give in?
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Old 12.12.2007, 14:03
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Unbelievable, I still hear the opposition "threat" on the radio. They're not going this route if they think two seconds about it.

Either Widmer-Schlumpf accepts and everybody can win.

Or she declines and the SVP choses again Blocher as candidate. Then it depends on the CVP's reaction, are they going to counter the SVP's impudence with an own candidate or will they give in?

it's here where the swiss german word 'Zwänggringe' perfectly fits,becasue that's more how it looks like to me now!
They have already lost the Bundeskanzleramt to CVPs' Corina Casanova,so the SVP threat of calling back their candidate for this job is nil and void ....

I am still hoping here for Mrs. Widmer-Schlumpf and I also put the needles back into my doll
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Old 12.12.2007, 14:16
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Plus Schmid is already sworn, so the SVP would have to exclude him from the party to go into the opposition.

Mh, it's only a matter of minutes now until Widmer-Schlumpf spills the beans.
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Re: Election of Bundesrat

She'll accept. If she doesn't there is too high a likelihood that SVP will lose the seat.
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Widmer-Schlumpf is being allowed to have until 08:00 tomorrow to make her mind up.
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Re: Election of Bundesrat

just heard on the radio that she wants more time to consider her options, her decision will be annouced tomorrow morning at 8...
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Old 12.12.2007, 14:37
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Plus Schmid is already sworn, so the SVP would have to exclude him from the party to go into the opposition.

Mh, it's only a matter of minutes now until Widmer-Schlumpf spills the beans.

She just has, and she asked for time to think over it until tomorrow morning 8am,this is a first I think ,let's hope she wil be encouraged rather than discouraged to accept the vote!
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Old 12.12.2007, 14:38
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Re: Election of Bundesrat

She just smurfed it up If she has to think about it the answer will most likely be no. Alos makes you wonder if she is fit for the position - smurfette doesn't seem to be able to make any decisions. But I can only hope she says yes tomorrow...
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Unbelievable, I still hear the opposition "threat" on the radio. They're not going this route if they think two seconds about it.

Either Widmer-Schlumpf accepts and everybody can win.

Or she declines and the SVP choses again Blocher as candidate. Then it depends on the CVP's reaction, are they going to counter the SVP's impudence with an own candidate or will they give in?
The CVP announced last night that they would not support Blocher. I can't see them changing their mind now that they've drawn a line in the sand.
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Old 12.12.2007, 14:46
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Re: Election of Bundesrat

Well I think it depends with whom she'll talk today – I can only hope (and assume) that it won't just be her own party comrades. One also has to account for the fact that she won only by 10 votes and her election came short-noticed. If she accepts tomorrow, she can emphasize that it was a well thought-out decision.

This afternoon is a window of opportunity for the CVP and the left to announce that they'll compete for Blocher's seat, should Widmer-Schlumpf decline and Blocher run again.
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Old 12.12.2007, 14:48
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The CVP announced last night that they would not support Blocher. I can't see them changing their mind now that they've drawn a line in the sand.
Yeees... but they also announced yesterday that they won't oppose him and the SVP seats
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Old 12.12.2007, 14:51
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Re: Election of Bundesrat

I heard that this was the same sort of fashion that Micheline Calmy-Rey was originally appointed into the Bundesrat. Interesting stuff.
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Old 12.12.2007, 15:06
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I heard that this was the same sort of fashion that Micheline Calmy-Rey was originally appointed into the Bundesrat. Interesting stuff.
Not exactly, the social democrats presented two candidates and Calmy-Rey won. But it has happened before to the SP that their official candidate was ignored in favor of another party member: Otto Stich was elected instead of Lilian Uchtenhagen in 1983.
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Yeees... but they also announced yesterday that they won't oppose him and the SVP seats
But that was yesterday and if Blocher stands again given Widmer-Schlumpf declines they are certain to propose a candidate.

I guess Ms Widmer-Schlumpf is going to ask how much is Mr Blocher going to pay her to not accept - 50 Mio, 100 Mio... I guess she has a pretty good bargaining position
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Not exactly, the social democrats presented two candidates and Calmy-Rey won. But it has happened before to the SP that their official candidate was ignored in favor of another party member: Otto Stich was elected instead of Lilian Uchtenhagen in 1983.
and later "that other guy" was elected instead of Christiane Brunner, but didn't accept. I a second try Ruth Dreyfuss then got the job.

I admit, though, reading that he wasn't re-elected put a smile on my face
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Not exactly, the social democrats presented two candidates and Calmy-Rey won. But it has happened before to the SP that their official candidate was ignored in favor of another party member: Otto Stich was elected instead of Lilian Uchtenhagen in 1983.

Admittedly Stich was a very good Financeminister ,but i still remember that election, Lilian Uchtenhagen would have been the first woman in the Bundesrat, and for her to be followed by Elisabeth Kopp, who then had to leave her post ungracefully.................
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Old 12.12.2007, 16:13
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Yeees... but they also announced yesterday that they won't oppose him and the SVP seats
That is what I remember reading last night on the Blick website -- that they were not going to send out another candidate from their party to oppose him (that was the main headline there, not that they'd abstain or support someone else outside of their ranks).

The NZZ this morning said that a majority did not want to vote for Blocher. It was not at all clear, basically from the view of all parties, that the CVP would vote in such a manner for another candidate. The paper did mention Widmer-Schlumpf as a possible person the others could rally around if they did launch such a maneuver, but not that it was likely. Pretty interesting!

I'm trying to upload a comic from Sunday's NZZ, but it isn't working. You can find it here if at all interested. It reads: "The night of the long knives" / A drunken CVP member: "You'll see, tomorrow I'm going to show it to Blocher." / The skeptical bartender: "Yeah, yeah. Go to sleep now."
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