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Re: Choose a political party for Hans-Ueli

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It's time you volunteer for the RS (Rekrutenschule). You'll be taught lots of things there.
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Foreigners are great in terms of economic benefits, if only they would go home* after work.
That brings me to another question: it is the intention of my wife and I to live in Switzerland for the rest of our working lives, but then, probably, retire to the United States (where the music is better and the shops sell a greater variety of ice cream).

I understand that some political parties would like to see guest workers bugger off once they've outlived their usefulness, but how do they feel about these workers continuing to draw a Swiss pension while contributing nothing to the Swiss economy? Is this part of the plan for 'Gastarbeiter' such as me and my wife?
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Hi DB:

It's time you volunteer for the RS (Rekrutenschule). You'll be taught lots of things there.
I wanted to join the Fire Brigade, but they didn't want me.
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Seriously? Why not?
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Seriously? Why not?
I don't work close enough to home.
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Re: Choose a political party for Hans-Ueli

OK. The fire brigade is out.

Next idea: Join the local Männer Turnverein.
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OK. The fire brigade is out.

Next idea: Join the local Männer Turnverein.
Or the Männerchor
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Re: Choose a political party for Hans-Ueli

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That brings me to another question: it is the intention of my wife and I to live in Switzerland for the rest of our working lives, but then, probably, retire to the United States (where the music is better and the shops sell a greater variety of ice cream).

I understand that some political parties would like to see guest workers bugger off once they've outlived their usefulness, but how do they feel about these workers continuing to draw a Swiss pension while contributing nothing to the Swiss economy? Is this part of the plan for 'Gastarbeiter' such as me and my wife?
Ethically questionable IMO. To remove a tax relieved pension from it's country of origin and spend it stimulating another country for probably 30, 40 years of retirement. Disappointing.
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Old 12.11.2012, 11:35
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Re: Choose a political party for Hans-Ueli

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That brings me to another question: it is the intention of my wife and I to live in Switzerland for the rest of our working lives, but then, probably, retire to the United States (where the music is better and the shops sell a greater variety of ice cream).

I understand that some political parties would like to see guest workers bugger off once they've outlived their usefulness, but how do they feel about these workers continuing to draw a Swiss pension while contributing nothing to the Swiss economy? Is this part of the plan for 'Gastarbeiter' such as me and my wife?
I know people who worked some in the US, long in Switzerland and returned to the US to retire. Be aware of what the US will deduct from your pension fund before buying the house with the pool.
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Re: Choose a political party for Hans-Ueli

If Hans-Ueli has a particular interest in animal welfare issues, perhaps he might enjoy an apero with these like minded folks:

http://tierpartei.ch/index.php

These good people are perhaps a tad too unfocused for me, as I'm a bit of a single-issue voter. So if I could vote, I'd likely be out campaigning for:

http://www.hunde-partei.ch




Being serious - I'm almost glad I can't vote. I'm a typical US centrist independent - leaning left-ish on social justice issues, right on fiscal responsibility. Which according to Smartvote means I'm usually more in line with ... gasp... SVP candidates than those of the other parties.

Oh dear.
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Old 12.11.2012, 13:42
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Re: Choose a political party for Hans-Ueli

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I know people who worked some in the US, long in Switzerland and returned to the US to retire. Be aware of what the US will deduct from your pension fund before buying the house with the pool.
It's the US Soc. Sec. Windfall Elimination Program, designed to prevent 'double dipping'. It won't touch your Swiss pension, but if you were entitled to US Soc Sec (i.e., you contributed to the US system for 40 quarters) what you receive from the US will be reduced by (insert an arcane and almost arbitrary calculation here):
http://www.ssa.gov/retire2/wep.htm

But as US Soc Sec (and most of the world's pension systems) will long have bitten the dust by the time you young'uns retire, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.


Now back to Hans Ueli and his philosophical dilema...
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...but I quite like them to be that powerful minority party that keeps pestering all the others...
Generally that is ok, but they do it on the behalf of others...for me it is still a despicable party without any moral or ethic fibers...
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Re: Choose a political party for Hans-Ueli

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So, I was having a chat with my mate Hans-Ueli at the weekend. He's a lovely chap, considers himself to be broadly left-liberal, makes a special effort to be nice to brown people and Roman Catholics and other ethnic minorities.

He has strong opinions about a lot of things, but the things that get him really worked up are the atrocious treatment of animals by Muslims in the name of their 'religion', the overwhelming rate of immigration into Switzerland (the boat is almost full!), and criminality amongst asylum seekers. He's not racist, mind you: he's just concerned that other people who hold similar opinions might be.

Can you think of a suitable Swiss political party to which Hans-Ueli could lend his support? I don't really know enough about Swiss politics to help him, being a mere economic migrant and all.

Thank you in advance.
Green Liberals clearly
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Any chance we could stay on topic?

I know next to nothing about Swiss politics, and would relish the opportunity to learn something about what each party stands for.
Well, here in short the profiles, from right to left

SVP = staunch conservative anti-EU, anti-anybody position
FDP = two wings, the one of the "economy-liberals" dominant in the Canton of Zürich, most of all on the Goldküste, and the "social-liberals" dominant in Luzern
CVP = conservative Roman-Catholic traditionalist party with social notions
BDP = split-away from the SVP. conservative but PRO-EU and pro international links and ready for links with leftists if it serves them
LDU = no longer existing, was the social-liberal party of Migros founder Duttweiler, left of centre
GLP - Green Liberals = social liberal with a Green idiology, pro economy
Greens = leftist with a Green ideology, anti-economy
SPS = leftist, a right-wing pro-economy and a left-wing nationalisation prone and rather anti-economy and a Greenish wing

These are the major parties. There are a few dozen of other parties. That "hans-Ueli" sounds a bit like BDP and a bit like the Green liberals
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That brings me to another question: it is the intention of my wife and I to live in Switzerland for the rest of our working lives, but then, probably, retire to the United States (where the music is better and the shops sell a greater variety of ice cream).

I understand that some political parties would like to see guest workers bugger off once they've outlived their usefulness, but how do they feel about these workers continuing to draw a Swiss pension while contributing nothing to the Swiss economy? Is this part of the plan for 'Gastarbeiter' such as me and my wife?
In short, millions of people in the world who are NOT CH citizens but lived and worked here get their AHV quite normally. The AHV is well organised to carry out those transfers. So that you upon retirement can retreat to Wichita or Baghdad or Mazar-i-Sharif and live on your AHV
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Can you think of a suitable Swiss political party to which Hans-Ueli could lend his support? I don't really know enough about Swiss politics to help him, being a mere economic migrant and all.

Thank you in advance.
For me, SVP is the all to end all.

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For me, SVP is the all to end all.

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And what does this mean in Anglish?
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It's true I have strong opinions, but I've never really bothered to do the research into Swiss political parties because most of them are so boring.

I'm rather fond of the SVP, if the truth be told, because they shake things up a bit - there are few things in politics worse than complacency. Some of their policies make sense, but as I observed above, as a foreigner/paper Swiss to be, it could put me in an awkward moral position to vote for them. What's good for Glarnerland isn't necessarily what's good for the Confederation...

It's thorny and I'm ready to learn - who wants to educate me?
Then why not just ask the question directly rather than invent a Swiss friend who apparently doesn't understand Swiss politics?

And if you are fond of the SVP, its only - i sincerely hope - because you haven't seen the thick end of the wedge yet
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Addendum: where does he stand on EU entry and bilateral agreements?
I would hope that he would be against both!

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Well, here in short the profiles, from right to left

SVP = staunch conservative anti-EU, anti-anybody position
FDP = two wings, the one of the "economy-liberals" dominant in the Canton of Zürich, most of all on the Goldküste, and the "social-liberals" dominant in Luzern
CVP = conservative Roman-Catholic traditionalist party with social notions
BDP = split-away from the SVP. conservative but PRO-EU and pro international links and ready for links with leftists if it serves them
LDU = no longer existing, was the social-liberal party of Migros founder Duttweiler, left of centre
GLP - Green Liberals = social liberal with a Green idiology, pro economy
Greens = leftist with a Green ideology, anti-economy
SPS = leftist, a right-wing pro-economy and a left-wing nationalisation prone and rather anti-economy and a Greenish wing

These are the major parties. There are a few dozen of other parties. That "hans-Ueli" sounds a bit like BDP and a bit like the Green liberals
In Ticino there is the LEGA, which is a major party here (but does not exist in other cantons).

They are my personal favorite.

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