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Old 13.11.2012, 16:02
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In Ticino there is the LEGA, which is a major party here (but does not exist in other cantons).

They are my personal favorite.

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Dad knew the father of the Lega founder, a construction company owner, personally. The good man, when they referred to Giuliano, stated that to have an unruly badly behaving son was the result of having become a rich man. Bignasca Sr knew many of the best restaurants in the area, and Dad was invited two or three times. Once, the last time in fact, Mr Bignasca arranged for Mum to get to Lugano, to accompany Mrs Bignasca on a Lugano Saturday. "Old" Mr Bignasca unfortunately passed away a year later in 1978 .

There is another Mr Bignasca in the FCAA in Bern. I do not know however whether related to the present Lega leader. A good chap indeed. Now apparently going into retirement.
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Old 13.11.2012, 16:22
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BDP = split-away from the SVP. conservative but PRO-EU and pro international links and ready for links with leftists if it serves them
BDP is NOT pro-EU, if by that you mean Switzerland joining the EU. It is, however, in favour of bilateral accords and close cooperation with the EU.
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BDP is NOT pro-EU, if by that you mean Switzerland joining the EU. It is, however, in favour of bilateral accords and close cooperation with the EU.
Pro E.U. does NOT mean in favour of joining the E.U., but being in favour of maintaining and extending the Bilateral Treaties.

Nobody at this time advocates a full entry. But Switzerland in a way is gradually "slipping" into the E.U. A practical example is ECAC of which Switzerland is a full member which means that civil aviation wise, Switzerland in practice IS an EU-member. Those of BAZL regularily are taking part in ECAC meetings in Brussels.

I on a one-day instruction course at BAZL on Monday was surprised to realize that Britain has taken a bit of a lead in ECAC, while the lead for years used to be with France
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I on a one-day instruction course at BAZL on Monday was surprised to realize that Britain has taken a bit of a lead in ECAC
The United Kingdom is actively and enthusiastically involved in all kinds of pan-European projects. It just objects to the move away from democratic national sovereignty on economic and political matters.

The Swiss have it right on that one.
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Pro E.U. does NOT mean in favour of joining the E.U., but being in favour of maintaining and extending the Bilateral Treaties.
I never said that, I was asking for clarification. To many people, "Pro-EU" means exactly that, i.e. in favour of joining the EU.

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Nobody at this time advocates a full entry. But Switzerland in a way is gradually "slipping" into the E.U. A practical example is ECAC of which Switzerland is a full member which means that civil aviation wise, Switzerland in practice IS a EU-member. Those of BAZL regularily are taking part in ECAC meetings in Brussels.

I on a one-day instruction course at BAZL on Monday was surprised to realize that Britain has taken a bit of a lead in ECAC

Would you care to explain what BAZL and ECAC are for those of us who don't?
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The United Kingdom is actively and enthusiastically involved in all kinds of pan-European projects. It just objects to the move away from democratic national sovereignty on economic and political matters.

The Swiss have it right on that one.

Precisely.

There are many in the UK who are advocating a closer economic cooperation with the Commonwealth countries. It can be argued the UK has far more in common with these countries, historically and culturally, than with any country in Europe.
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Nobody at this time advocates a full entry.
From the SP website:

"Die SP Schweiz fordert als einzige Bundesratspartei die rasche Einleitung von EU-Beitrittsverhandlungen"

I beg to differ.
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I never said that, I was asking for clarification. To many people, "Pro-EU" means exactly that, i.e. in favour of joining the EU.




Would you care to explain what BAZL and ECAC are for those of us who don't?

> in Switzerland "pro EU" means in favour of the Bilaterals
> BAZL = Federal Civil Aviation Authority
BAZL is a full member of
> ECAC = European Civil Aviation Conference
which is the Civil Aviation Organisation of the E.U. which came out of a conference more than a decade ago. All civil aviation security measures, for airtraffic, passengers and aircargo, are worked out at ECAC. This includes programs for all export companies, all aircargo-agents, all airlines and handling companies and all trucking companies who transport aircargo and all travel agencies. In short, a very powerful companies.

If you add all the European organisations of which Switzerland is full member, you realize how childish the SVP agenda in fact is. EMS-Chemie, the on of the Grrand-Ayatollah, in fact was the first Swiss export company who used EUR.1 E.U. export documents. The Grand-Ayatollah btw. owns a variety of companies in Southern Germany and West Austria, which shows what hypocrite he in reality is. Not least when you see his close links with the father-in-law of his daughter, who is a Lombardia industry tycoon
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From the SP website:

"Die SP Schweiz fordert als einzige Bundesratspartei die rasche Einleitung von EU-Beitrittsverhandlungen"

I beg to differ.
Their WEBsite reflects the ratified party program, but the party-leadership and BOTH SP members in the Bundesrat oppose any entrance into such negotiations. Everybody knows this discrepancy, but reality is that the SPS does NOT want such negotiations. They say it is just a "position of principle".
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I think the Grünliberalen would be a good party for Hans-Ueli
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Precisely.

There are many in the UK who are advocating a closer economic cooperation with the Commonwealth countries. It can be argued the UK has far more in common with these countries, historically and culturally, than with any country in Europe.
Right and wrong. Right in quite many points. Wrong in view of Malta and Cyprus being full members of both the E.U. and the Commonwealth and particularily Malta has more in common with the U.K. than with any other country. Another E.U. country with VERY close links to the U.K. is the Irish Republic And I would not discount the links between U.K. and Norway.

And many Commonwealth countries are member of regional organisations, which makes more integration with the old Colonialist Empire impossible
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Integration =/= economic cooperation.
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Right and wrong. Right in quite many points. Wrong in view of Malta and Cyprus being full members of both the E.U. and the Commonwealth and particularily Malta has more in common with the U.K. than with any other country. Another E.U. country with VERY close links to the U.K. is the Irish Republic And I would not discount the links between U.K. and Norway.

And many Commonwealth countries are member of regional organisations, which makes more integration with the old Colonialist Empire impossible
Like I said, it was merely the opinion of an appreciable section of society. Funny you mention Ireland, don't forget they voted not to ratify the Lisbon treat at first, so were asked to vote again.

DB's comment about integration not equalling economic cooperation is exactly what galls many in the UK (and evidently many throughout europe). The EU as it stands to day is not what we thought we were getting into back in '73.
Some people call it the EuSSR; they're probaly not far wrong .
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T'was a clever media ploy that catapulted a party that nobody had ever heard of into the heat of media attention.

As a Billag agnostic I am thankfully spared the miss pageants and don't miss it one bit.
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As a Billag agnostic I am thankfully spared the miss pageants and don't miss it one bit.
Yeah, but Linda Fäh is nice, isn't she?
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