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Fair enough, but then why sending a provocation by saying "move to Saoudi Arabia"?
I think it's acceptable not to have the same conclusion, but to exaggerate don't seems to help the topic, nor the gender thing.


A-74 was telling the OP to move to Saudi if he wanted more *ahem* traditional values, where men are firmly above women in the pecking order (or any other position for that matter).

Why the confusion?

You seem to be mixing the article with the OP's post and A-74's opinion of the latter.
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A-74 was telling the OP to move to Saudi if he wanted more *ahem* traditional values, where men are firmly above women in the pecking order (or any other position for that matter).

Why the confusion?
Well because I think the OP meant to have decent values not like:
undervalues men and overvalues women-

But to have fair rights and equal view on anyone, whatever their gender.

Based on that, I think the comment on Saudi Arabia was not considering "fair rights" but referring to something else where women are not having fair rights.
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Re: Brasilian guy shot by ex-girlfriend, portrayed as "womanizer" and "kickboxer"

Sorry it didnt work the previous time


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Re: Brasilian guy shot by ex-girlfriend, portrayed as "womanizer" and "kickboxer"

Somebody just lost his life. We know really nothing about it. Please, abstain from undignified comments and speculations.
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Based on that, I think the comment on Saudi Arabia was not considering "fair rights" but referring to something else where women are not having fair rights.
it was a sarcastic comment did you see the smiley afterwards?
who was talking about fair rights?
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Somebody just lost his life. We know really nothing about it. Please, abstain from undignified comments and speculations.
He was a friend to a former member of this forum.
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Well because I think the OP meant to have decent values not like:
undervalues men and overvalues women-

But to have fair rights and equal view on anyone, whatever their gender.

Based on that, I think the comment on Saudi Arabia was not considering "fair rights" but referring to something else where women are not having fair rights.
Again, notwithstanding shitty journalism, 9/10 women come off worse than men in society. To take one article and then say all men are under-valued and women over-valued is, IMO, not really correct and simplifies the situation rather dramatically.

The OP is just being told he can go to Saudi if he finds current Western society not to his tastes - it was only a suggestion which the OP doesn't have to action...
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Re: Brasilian guy shot by ex-girlfriend, portrayed as "womanizer" and "kickboxer"

That, and it was actually his gun, even though he should not have had one.
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Somebody just lost his life. We know really nothing about it. Please, abstain from undignified comments and speculations.
We know that he was a womaniser and that he was doing kickboxing...
and that allegedly, he tried to have sex with his neighboor...


Would have lived well without knowing those gossips, but hey...thanks "journalism"!

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Again, notwithstanding shitty journalism, 9/10 women come off worse than men in society. To take one article and then say all men are under-valued and women over-valued is, IMO, not really correct and simplifies the situation rather dramatically.

The OP is just being told he can go to Saudi if he finds current Western society not to his tastes - it was only a suggestion which the OP doesn't have to action...
Maybe and then in that "virtual example" you gave, then in 9/10 times we should defend them and verify that their rights are respected.


To take 1 article is indeed very little to make generalization, but the point is that it has been published easily! Therefore potentially reaching thousands of people.

And to the Saudi Arabia comment, yes maybe it was a sarcastic thing, but was it so sensitive to make such comment in a topic where someone was murdered, and who get his reputation cr@pped by a toilet paper newspaper?

Think larger, what would his children feel when they read that?

In any way, forget the comment on Saudi Arabia and focus on the "article" I think we all agree that it went way over "journalism" and does spread... at best unwanted gossips, at worse possible "womanisation" (as it seems to justify the crime comitted by a poorly cheated female victim).
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We know that he was a womaniser and that he was doing kickboxing...
and that allegedly, he tried to have sex with his neighboor...


Would have lived well without knowing those gossips, but hey...thanks "journalism"!

Also the mention that he and his gang of thugs were well known in the area, journalistic trivia, people should not be surprised if others answer in kind.
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Re: Brasilian guy shot by ex-girlfriend, portrayed as "womanizer" and "kickboxer"

Violence from one human to another is always a tragedy, and sadly, seems to be part of the human condition.

There are tonnes of statistics out there about how men and women treat each other, but at the end of day, the kids pay and the cycle continues. I think rather than get caught up in who treats who worse between the sexes, we need to look at the fallout and start taking a stand against violence, which is a behavior, rather than make generalizations about one half of the population or the other.
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Sorry it didnt work the previous time




I stopped watching this.

I, really, really, don't know where to start with this, so I won't.

I'll just go get my tinfoil hat out and give it a good polish...
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We know that he was a womaniser and that he was doing kickboxing...
and that allegedly, he tried to have sex with his neighboor...


Would have lived well without knowing those gossips, but hey...thanks "journalism"!

Tabloids aren't journalism. It's so recent, Zurich is tiny, his closest ones might not all know it yet people here use this to vax about chicks' vs guys' rights, to score brownie points. I know mass hysteria is what bad journalism wants, but I think we might be better than that.

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Brazilian guy (34 yo) gets shot by Swiss ex-gf (31). Media portrays him as "womanizer" and "kickboxer"

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zuerich/story/23156831


Another case of misandry (man-hate) in the media. The victim (a Man) is portrayed as the agressor, or at least accused of "deserving it"…
Total BS. The victim is not portrayed as the agressor and is not accused of "deserving it". That's just what you like to interprete to support your following argument. The facts we have: 1. It's Fast Food Journalism 2. There is some unnecessary information.

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This is nothing new. Western World has become a civilization that undervalues men and overvalues women, where the state forcibly transfers resources from men to women creating perverse incentives for otherwise good women to conduct great evil against men, and where male nature is vilified but female nature is celebrated.

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/...ry-bubble.html
So, please enlighten us then where it is "better".

A bit of statistics:
http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/d...1306.3207.html

And a link to your friends. You should become a member there, maybe they do free hugs.
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We know that he was a womaniser and that he was doing kickboxing...
and that allegedly, he tried to have sex with his neighboor...

Would have lived well without knowing those gossips, but hey...thanks "journalism"!
Absolutely. The article is total crap. The "newspaper" is just pain full of gossipy rubbish. What happened to the man was horrible and wrong. The woman who did it should be put in jail for a very long time. So we all agree on that.

What we are really reacting to are the OP's comments.

The OP's conclusion that "women are over-valued" is strange. The majority of people being killed, oppressed and abused are women by men. The majority of victims that are slandered in crappy gossipy news papers or in courts for that matter for deserving what happened to them are women. Women make less money, have less political power, top 100 riches people in world? How many women? 3 out of the top 10 and 2 of those inherited from men. I could go on but I won't, as clearly I don't understand the conspiracy.

Having said that the idea men do not also face domestic violence and are not killed by women is also wrong. It does happen and probably more often than is reported. My cousin was abused mentally and physically by his wife. Eventually, he broke his arm when she pushed him down the stairs.

And yes, there are women who take advantage and take the men for all they are worth in divorce and child custody issues. There is work to do in the family courts.

But sorry, I have to LOL on that misandry video.

PS: My browser spell check recognizes misandry.
PPS: I know I'm going to regret posting this. LOL. Blame it on the flu meds.
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Re: Brasilian guy shot by ex-girlfriend, portrayed as "womanizer" and "kickboxer"

Having read the article I think yes, there are some unnecessary comments about his private life and neighbors gossip should not be used to form an opinion of the man.

However if the op wants me to believe that the guy was an innocent victim of a violent housewife then I find that hard to believe!
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Re: Brasilian guy shot by ex-girlfriend, portrayed as "womanizer" and "kickboxer"

Kind of reminds me of the Glenn Beck style of 'reporting'. "Now, I'm not saying he's a philanderer and a communist sympathizer, I'm just saying it looks curious".
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here google translate of said article, not best source but oh well
On Saturday night, occurred in a 3.5-room apartment in the midst of a modern housing estate in Zurich Affoltern a terrible bloodbath. A 31-year-old Swiss reached the Brazilian Luis C. * (34) with several shots down. About the motives of the perpetrator can only be speculated. The direct neighbor told how he witnessed the act and react.
"Only two, then fell another three shots. Seconds later, I looked through the peephole as the alleged perpetrator fled down the stairs, "says Roland Steiner (34). Previously, the dead and a Swiss woman had quarreled violently. "When I first heard through the wall of a whimper, shortly thereafter a rattle through the front door, I responded," says Steiner.

Any resuscitation attempts in vain

When he entered the apartment, he saw a picture of horror: Luis C. ranged from hall and kitchen on the back, naked and with bullet holes in the chest, hip and right leg. His pulse was weak, twisted his eyes. All resuscitation attempts were in vain. The victim died at the scene, as the Zurich City Police confirmed. The alleged perpetrator, they could arrest a few meters from the old home.

A frivolous love life

The 1.90-meter tall giant Luis C. worked as a bouncer and Securitas. In his spare time he went as an amateur kick boxer in the ring. His ex-wife was the father of a two year old son threw about two years ago from the home, telling neighbors. He also seemed to have led a very active love life. "Constantly received young pretty women and from," says Angela Hausabwartin Vasapollo. Also they have received from him an immoral offer. Luis also had once beaten with bare fists several dents in the wall and smashed a door.

Now determined by the Zurich prosecutor.

Now I might be missing something but where does it say that a woman shot him??

EDIT: OH I see Google Translate translated Schweizerin as Swiss so it was a woman sowwy

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here google translate of said article, not best source but oh well
On Saturday night, occurred in a 3.5-room apartment in the midst of a modern housing estate in Zurich Affoltern a terrible bloodbath. A 31-year-old Swiss reached the Brazilian Luis C. * (34) with several shots down. About the motives of the perpetrator can only be speculated. The direct neighbor told how he witnessed the act and react.
"Only two, then fell another three shots. Seconds later, I looked through the peephole as the alleged perpetrator fled down the stairs, "says Roland Steiner (34). Previously, the dead and a Swiss woman had quarreled violently. "When I first heard through the wall of a whimper, shortly thereafter a rattle through the front door, I responded," says Steiner.

Any resuscitation attempts in vain

When he entered the apartment, he saw a picture of horror: Luis C. ranged from hall and kitchen on the back, naked and with bullet holes in the chest, hip and right leg. His pulse was weak, twisted his eyes. All resuscitation attempts were in vain. The victim died at the scene, as the Zurich City Police confirmed. The alleged perpetrator, they could arrest a few meters from the old home.

A frivolous love life

The 1.90-meter tall giant Luis C. worked as a bouncer and Securitas. In his spare time he went as an amateur kick boxer in the ring. His ex-wife was the father of a two year old son threw about two years ago from the home, telling neighbors. He also seemed to have led a very active love life. "Constantly received young pretty women and from," says Angela Hausabwartin Vasapollo. Also they have received from him an immoral offer. Luis also had once beaten with bare fists several dents in the wall and smashed a door.

Now determined by the Zurich prosecutor.

Now I might be missing something but where does it say that a woman shot him??
Good point, my german isn't very good but I figured the line G-translated to "A 31-year-old Swiss reached the Brazilian Luis C. * (34) with several shots down." Referred to a 31 year old Swiss women taking him down with several shots.

Can we confirm?
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