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You know that American Indians don't come from India, don't you?

Or that turkeys don't come from Turkey?

In the English language, Caucasian is an acceptable synonym for white, whether that suits your world view or not, whether it makes sense to you or not or whether it works that way in German or not.
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Old 24.11.2012, 13:10
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After 10 pages of discussion, nobody has answered EAB's original question.

The parties he should consider voting for with his views are:

Swiss Democrats
SVP
BDP
FDP (Right Wing)

I do not encourage anybody to vote for the first two on this list.

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I mentioned SVP very early on

Which Swiss Party is Right for me?
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Old 24.11.2012, 15:19
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Re: Which Swiss Party is Right for me?

I love the version of Schweizerpsalm sung by Fabienne Louvres

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Old 24.11.2012, 16:40
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After 10 pages of discussion, nobody has answered EAB's original question.

The parties he should consider voting for with his views are:

Swiss Democrats
SVP
BDP
FDP (Right Wing)

I do not encourage anybody to vote for the first two on this list.

Thank you
Tom
Excuse me for repeating myself but the above is still not true. None of the parties with the exception of perhaps SD (Schweizer Demokraten, and even there I'm just basing my judgement on prejudice because I don't know for sure) judge the value of immigrants or people in general based on their skin color.

"But back to the topic. Every mainstream party in Switzerland has its definition of a good foreigner. Some think that immigrants should fully blend in and integrate culturally and economically (SVP), others think it's most important that immigrants contribute to the economy (FDP), whereas some would say it's important they share our cultural/family values (CVP). There's even some who would rather have more cultural and ethic diversity, or enrichment as they call it, even if they don't always contribute much economically (SP). But none really think along your lines, that all of the above doesn't really matter as long as they have the right ethnicity and come from what you perceive as a similar cultural background. Swiss think Australians are completely different to them, that's why they love Australia, and the US, for that matter. So sorry, no Swiss party for you."
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Re: Which Swiss Party is Right for me?

The original poster's political attitudes are in conflict and mutually exclusive. You can't expect the government to promote and legislate your ideas of culture and values while at the same time oppose the creation if a "nanny state". That is by very definition "the nanny state".
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Old 24.11.2012, 18:27
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The original poster's political attitudes are in conflict and mutually exclusive. You can't expect the government to promote and legislate your ideas of culture and values while at the same time oppose the creation if a "nanny state". That is by very definition "the nanny state".
Wrong. A "nanny state" by definition is overprotective and interfering — it has little or nothing to do with the promotion or preservation of traditional culture or values.
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Re: Which Swiss Party is Right for me?

The one playing Shlager music.
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Wrong. A "nanny state" by definition is overprotective and interfering — it has little or nothing to do with the promotion or preservation of traditional culture or values.
You're only half correct.

The nanny state is a term that is used that is both overprotective OR interfering unduly with personal choice.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state

Nanny state governments that promote traditional values often do so by legislating their personal beliefs onto other people and limit the choices people have to live their own life. Religious conservatives attempt to do this all the time by attempting to eliminate birth control rights, marriage rights, teaching their brand of religion in public schools, etc.

Yes, that is by definition a nanny state.
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Old 24.11.2012, 23:22
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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state

Nanny state governments that promote traditional values often do so by legislating their personal beliefs...
Wrong again. 'Your' source says nothing to corroborate either your first assertion (i.e., that 'by very definition' a nanny state legislates ideas of culture and values) or your anti-conservative bias. Nor does it pretend (as you do) that governments have 'personal beliefs'.
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Wrong again. 'Your' source says nothing to corroborate either your first assertion (i.e., that 'by very definition' a nanny state legislates ideas of culture and values) or your anti-conservative bias. Nor does it pretend (as you do) that governments have 'personal beliefs'.
My beliefs have nothing to do with this. What we're talking about concerns the meaning of a well defined term. This isn't up for debate. The "nanny state" is another word for big government. Big government can come in many forms. You can have big social government, that legislates personal values and choices that are traditionally in the modern world left to the individual, big financial government that excessively intervenes in the economy, and Big Brother which watches every thing you do. Or you can have all three.

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What were talking about here is whether or not you can have a government that legislates culture and values without being a nanny state. You can't, because when government starts legislating culture and values, the choice of culture is no longer a private decision. Too often, the largest critics of big government are only opposed to a particular kind of big government, not another kind of big government.
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Old 25.11.2012, 00:32
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My beliefs have nothing to do with this...
Then why not act like it? (Nobody said they did.)

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...What were I'm talking about here is whether or not you can have a government that legislates culture and values without being a nanny state...
Fixed that for you. (You're welcome to talk your troll trash all you want, but please don't pretend you've somehow engaged others in meaningful dialogue.)

Yes, the "nanny state" is another word for big government (hey, you got something right!! ), but a liberal New York lawyer bad-mouthing a US conservative agenda as 'legislating culture and values' doesn't quite constitute a cogent or comprehensive appraisal of the Swiss (or any other) political system. The worst damage done by nanny states typically goes well beyond anything connected to mere culture and values.
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Then why not act like it? (Nobody said they did.)


Fixed that for you. (You're welcome to talk your troll trash all you want, but please don't pretend you've somehow engaged others in meaningful dialogue.)

Yes, the "nanny state" is another word for big government (hey, you got something right!! ), but a liberal New York lawyer bad-mouthing a US conservative agenda as 'legislating culture and values' doesn't quite constitute a cogent or comprehensive appraisal of the Swiss (or any other) political system. The worst damage done by nanny states typically goes well beyond anything connected to mere culture and values.
This discussion has nothing to do with US Conservative agendas, or my personal political persuasion, of which you know nothing about. The only troll here is the person deliberately waiting for me to post to start a hissy fit, change my names and quotes in violation of forum rules, and try to grab more attention. Sorry, not interested in playing your games. Ignored.
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Old 25.11.2012, 08:44
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This discussion has nothing to do with US Conservative agendas...
Says the same fellow who brought up the subject.
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You know that American Indians don't come from India, don't you?

Or that turkeys don't come from Turkey?

In the English language, Caucasian is an acceptable synonym for white, whether that suits your world view or not, whether it makes sense to you or not or whether it works that way in German or not.
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Says the same fellow who brought up the subject.
Never brought up USA conservative politics as an issue. The issue was whether the political position of legislating values is consistent with being anti-big government.

Of course, you're simply trolling for a fight, which you're not going to get here. I've seen your behavior in other threads. Back on the ignore list you go.
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...Religious conservatives attempt to do this all the time by attempting to eliminate birth control rights, marriage rights, teaching their brand of religion in public schools, etc...
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Never brought up USA conservative politics as an issue...
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Please, PLEASE leave me there!
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is the op actually serious or just a bad troll? I certainly hope the latter

and this thread has quickly turned into yet another stupid svp immigration debate.
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you should right some wrongs. Start with these:
Or with these
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Or with these
late to the party, missed the point but I like your taste. And you'd like my 24-pack
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late to the party, missed the point but I like your taste. And you'd like my 24-pack
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24-pack? 24-pack of beer you mean? I only heard of 6-pack and some have well... 6-rolls
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