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Old 25.11.2012, 11:24
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Help protect the bears

There has been a lot in the press regarding the bear M13 becoming a nuisance in the community. http://www.thelocal.ch/page/view/bro...-alps-nuisance

There is a petition to help the bears
http://naturschutz.ch/news/petition-...ll-leben/55535

Petition Link https://secure.avaaz.org/de/petition...M13_soll_leben
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Re: Help protect the bears

Nobody is actively feeding this bear, are they?

Nuisance bears can be brutal.
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Old 26.11.2012, 00:12
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There has been a lot in the press regarding the bear M13 becoming a nuisance in the community. http://www.thelocal.ch/page/view/bro...-alps-nuisance

There is a petition to help the bears
http://naturschutz.ch/news/petition-...ll-leben/55535

Petition Link https://secure.avaaz.org/de/petition...M13_soll_leben
Maybe you should talk to the bear If you succsesful there is a job for you in Canada BTW! they make fantastic floor deco

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Old 26.11.2012, 00:43
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There has been a lot in the press regarding the bear M13 becoming a nuisance in the community. http://www.thelocal.ch/page/view/bro...-alps-nuisance

There is a petition to help the bears
http://naturschutz.ch/news/petition-...ll-leben/55535

Petition Link https://secure.avaaz.org/de/petition...M13_soll_leben
Very good that you link this... I will sign it

But..somehow I can also understand they think about shooting him..he attacked a house and tried to push the door open...scratched at the windows to break the glasses to get into the house...
I'd p my pants if I had a wild bear at my frontdoor trying to get into my house.
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Very good that you link this... I will sign it

But..somehow I can also understand they think about shooting him..he attacked a house and tried to push the door open...scratched at the windows to break the glasses to get into the house...
I'd p my pants if I had a wild bear at my frontdoor trying to get into my house.
Shooting a bear is a frightening proposition. If your shot placement is off, especially on a brown bear, you could be his next meal.
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Re: Help protect the bears

This is by no means an easy situation. I am a nature & mountain lover, and bears are by far europe's most majestic animals.
BUT - as mentioned, these are not fluffy teddy bears to cuddle. They are savage, extremely strong, they attack randomly (ie not only when threatened or provoked). You cannot outrun them, you cannot climb away on tree (they climb much better than humans) and so on. And when you by accident get between mother and her cubs, good luck.
I am a trekker and sometimes sleep in tent in mountains - bears can be a real danger here, since they roam in night, and can smell your food far away. They are curious, and when you have your food stash with you, it might get nasty.
Back home, we have too many of them (they are protected, used to rob trash cans and they have no natural enemy). Since they are very territorial and there is too many, they are pushed more and more towards human settlements, and attacks sometimes happen. Quite brutal ones, although there hasn't been a deadly one for a while (but only because of quick medical help).
Since alps are so populated, it doesn't make much sense to move them. They can find another human settlement within day or two. And I don't think there is another country interested in them. Maybe they could actually pay for example russia and release them in middle of taiga.
Otherwise, if there are situations we-or-them, I choose we.
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Old 26.11.2012, 12:31
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Re: Help protect the bears

When I was in California, we went camping in the Sequoia National park - California black bear territory - in an official supervised, but natural campsite.

We were warned verbally and by posters and photos that no foods, cosmetics, or toiletries should be left in vehicles or tents.
The photos vividly depicted cars with doors and boots ripped open and off and claw-shredded tents, where these 'smallish' bears had caught a whiff of something.

Instead, in each pitch was a 'bear box' - a lockable metal box, close to the fireplace, where everything should be placed.

The first evening, it was already dark and I was cooking supper over the fire, turned round, opened the bear box to get something out to cook, then return the surplus to the box, before closing.

In the few seconds the box was open, whilst my back was to it, I heard rustling, only to turn round and see a black fur ball scurrying up the hill with a bag of my crisps in his mouth. He was so close, that if he had approached from the other side of the box, I would have felt his breath on my neck.

They are obviously used to people as not to have fear from close proximity, and recognise easy pickings when they see it.

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Old 26.11.2012, 12:34
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he attacked a house and tried to push the door open...scratched at the windows to break the glasses to get into the house...
I'd p my pants if I had a wild bear at my frontdoor trying to get into my house.
If I understood well, it was an empty house, so not dangerous for the human.
It's winter, this bear has to accumulate lots of fat to hibernate, he is hungry, he doesn't kill for killing, he kills to eat what he kills. What's wrong with that?
I will sign the petition, thanks for the link.

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Old 26.11.2012, 12:36
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In the few seconds the box was open, whilst my back was to it, I heard rustling, only to turn round and see a black fur ball scurrying up the hill with a bag of my crisps in his mouth
I remember seeing all those short documentaries on Yogi bear when I was a kid.
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Old 26.11.2012, 12:42
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Will sign, thanks for posting!
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Old 26.11.2012, 14:49
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If I understood well, it was an empty house, so not dangerous for the human.
It's winter, this bear has to accumulate lots of fat to hibernate, he is hungry, he doesn't kill for killing, he kills to eat what he kills. What's wrong with that?
I will sign the petition, thanks for the link.

He gone hibernate and have some sweet dreams.Spring comes he will be a nightmare

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Old 26.11.2012, 14:58
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Re: Help protect the bears

Why did bears die out in the Alps? Man, farming and human civilization could no longer exist side by side.

Man has been very cruel to the bear and to me this seems in great danger of being another example. Why try to force nature? This is 2102 not 1812...
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Old 26.11.2012, 15:12
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Re: Help protect the bears

I'll sign up, anyway to free the bears in Bern? Although their enclosure is about 4 times bigger than it used to be, it's still way too small for an animal of that size.

I'm not a fan of keeping animals in cages unless they're truly endangered and about to disappear forever. Like savvy posters on EF really ......
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Old 26.11.2012, 16:08
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Why did bears die out in the Alps? Man, farming and human civilization could no longer exist side by side.

Man has been very cruel to the bear and to me this seems in great danger of being another example. Why try to force nature? This is 2102 not 1812...
How long have I been napping?!
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Old 26.11.2012, 17:37
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I have signed, thanks for this OP.
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Old 26.11.2012, 22:14
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Re: Help protect the bears

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...kimberley.html

Read this ,happens about every two month
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