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Re: Mercer has released the 2012 Quality of Living Rankings

"This year’s ranking separately identifies the cities with the best infrastructure based on electricity supply, water availability, telephone and mail services, public transportation, traffic congestion and the range of international flights from local airports. Singapore is at the top of this index, followed by Frankfurt and Munich in second place. Copenhagen (4) and Dusseldorf (5) fill the next two slots, while Hong Kong and London share sixth place. Port-au-Prince (221) ranks at the bottom of the list."

I guess London must offer vast international flight differential bumping up its infrastructure rating as surely the other criteria are equal, with the exception of public transport and congestion which sucks in London. Confused

Edit: Actually, I have taken into account the pain in the arse that is the Swiss post office. But still, I find the gap in infrastructure placement startling.

London wins on mail services, and international flights.

Zurich wins on public transport and traffic congestions.

Equal on water, electric and telephone services.

But wait a minute, maybe Mercer have used cablecom? Then I guess London win that too.
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Old 04.12.2012, 15:44
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"This year’s ranking separately identifies the cities with the best infrastructure based on electricity supply, water availability, telephone and mail services, public transportation, traffic congestion and the range of international flights from local airports. Singapore is at the top of this index, followed by Frankfurt and Munich in second place. Copenhagen (4) and Dusseldorf (5) fill the next two slots, while Hong Kong and London share sixth place. Port-au-Prince (221) ranks at the bottom of the list."

I guess London must offer vast international flight differential bumping up its infrastructure rating as surely the other criteria are equal, with the exception of public transport and congestion which sucks in London. Confused

Edit: Actually, I have taken into account the pain in the arse that is the Swiss post office. But still, I find the gap in infrastructure placement startling.

London wins on mail services, and international flights.

Zurich wins on public transport and traffic congestions.

Equal on water, electric and telephone services.

But wait a minute, maybe Mercer have used cablecom? Then I guess London win that too.
London versus zurich:

electricity supply - who cares? draw.

water availability
- who cares? draw.

telephone - london wins. cheaper, more competition, better reception coverage, 4G network, no stupid auto-renewing contract

mail services - london wins by a huge margin.

public transportation - london has more extensive network, more frequent service, better night service, taxis you can take routinely without becoming bankrupt, convenient oyster card. zurich has cleaner more comfortable rolling stock. london wins.

traffic congestion - both can be congested, london has less passive aggressive driving and people give up right of way, fines in switzerland are huge and very low tolerance for speed limits. draw

range of international flights - london.

total:

London: 7
Zurich: 3


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Old 04.12.2012, 15:54
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London versus zurich:

electricity supply - who cares? draw.

water availability
- who cares? draw.

telephone - london wins. cheaper, more competition, better reception coverage, 4G network, no stupid auto-renewing contract

mail services - london wins by a huge margin.

public transportation - london has more extensive network, more frequent service, better night service, taxis you can take routinely without becoming bankrupt, convenient oyster card. zurich has cleaner more comfortable rolling stock. london wins.

traffic congestion - both can be congested, london has less passive aggressive driving and people give up right of way, fines in switzerland are huge and very low tolerance for speed limits. draw

range of international flights - london.

total:

London: 7
Zurich: 3


Congestion in London is far far worse, and the roads are shit.

London may have a more extensive network, but its still overpriced, underserviced, over crowded, unreliable. Give me Zurich trams, trains, no barriers with morons not knowing how to tap an oyster any day,

Otherwise I agree
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Old 04.12.2012, 15:58
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AGAIN: Why do live here if you hate it so much? Your life must be quite miserable. Feel sorry for you!
Excuse me Sir, I live in Olten...which is so good, that it is not even listed on the list.

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elevated roads??? WTF???
Of course, destroy the entire CH landscape just to build a few more roads. Make Zürich or even better entire CH look like f2ckin' LA, with elevated roads and overpasses (with all the "nice" side-effects - or rather underside effects! I invite you to take a look at the nice life people have living under those elevated roads).
The landscape? You mean the beautiful grey and grubby Zurich landscape. Thankfully, beauty is still in the eye of the beholder...but it is fair to say, that it will never be a runner up for the most beautiful city award. There was an interesting article in the paper not too long ago stating, that Zurich is the greyest city...mix that with being the 2nd most boring city in Europe http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/28694565

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Have you heard about Tunnels? There are quite a few in CH you know.

Yeah, go ahead destroy everything from the past. Is that you comrade Mao?
Tunnel are great, the only thing is, it takes forever to build something in Switzerland and it is a rather costly undertaking.
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Old 04.12.2012, 16:00
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The landscape? You mean the beautiful grey and grubby Zurich landscape. Thankfully, beauty is still in the eye of the beholder...but it is fair to say, that it will never be a runner up for the most beautiful city award.
Nothing grey about my view of Zurich mister, even if the boy does look fed up

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Old 04.12.2012, 16:06
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But noooooooooooooooooo, don't weigh that too heavily, nor take into to account opening hours and availabilities of goods and services....but make sure to include the banking sector, as this will have the crooked businessmen, dictators and other random money hiding/tax evading no good sleep better at night. IMO, Zurich should be listed somewhere at the bottom of the ranking and Geneva shouldn't even make the list.

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Congestion in London is far far worse, and the roads are shit.
more cars in london, but i'd argue still (marginally) more pleasant to drive there than in zurich.

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London may have a more extensive network, but its still overpriced, underserviced, over crowded, unreliable. Give me Zurich trams, trains, no barriers with morons not knowing how to tap an oyster any day,

Otherwise I agree
there may be 10 million people in london, but there are more morons here. don't get me started with people who don't let people get off the trams first, who can't form a queue, who don't know to stand on the right (even after the handrails are colour-coded, instructions given in 10 languages and people hand out 'stand on the right, walk on the left biscuits', people who can't walk faster than a turtle that has been shot in all 4 legs and dosed with valium, people who can't walk in a straight line, people who bump into you against all statistical probability even if you were the only 2 people left on the planet), ticket machines which don't accept common payment items, queue for ticket office which are massive, few taxis available to be flagged down at will (and cost a fortune if you manage to find one).
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Old 04.12.2012, 16:14
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more cars in london, but i'd argue still (marginally) more pleasant to drive there than in zurich.



there may be 10 million people in london, but there are more morons here. don't get me started with people who don't let people get off the trams first, who can't form a queue, who don't know to stand on the right (even after the handrails are colour-coded, instructions given in 10 languages and people hand out 'stand on the right, walk on the left biscuits', people who can't walk faster than a turtle that has been shot in all 4 legs and dosed with valium, people who can't walk in a straight line, people who bump into you against all statistical probability even if you were the only 2 people left on the planet), ticket machines which don't accept common payment items, queue for ticket office which are massive, few taxis available to be flagged down at will (and cost a fortune if you manage to find one).
Well to be fair, I dont drive, I ride shotgun, but I dont recall being stuck in the jams like in London, but...........I know traffic violations can result in a remortgage here.

Preaching to the choir mate, did you forget my 8 page or something thread on this very topic of mentally challenged Swiss individuals (rudest culture)? But yes, if we could merge common courtesy of Londoners to the efficiency and cleanliness of Zurich we'll be close to utopia.

Really, I see loads of cabs around and always get one within a few mins. I would say they were on par with black cab prices in London, and least not stuck in traffic watching meter go up. I only use them to get to city to home in early hours and find 30chf ok with me. At least in London you can get an immigrant to drop you home for a score. They call it illegal cab drivers, but they have done me tons of favours.
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Re: Mercer has released the 2012 Quality of Living Rankings

Here's my perspective as a non-anglophile:

telephone: no idea

mail service: In Zürich you drop a letter in the mailbox in the evening, it arrives the next morning. Nor is a first class letter much cheaper in London, actually quite a bit more expensive if you factor in cost of living. What makes it better in London, not to mention by "a huge margin"?

public transportation: bus drivers behind thick glass carry DNA swabs so they can establish a database of people who spit on them, massively crowded subways, everything's pretty filthy, residents have to be warned not to take unlicensed cabs to avoid sexual assault, you're filmed everywhere you go because it's so damned unsafe.

traffic congestion: Zürich, and Switzerland as a whole is congested, but you can't even enter the London proper without paying a 10 gbp congestion charge and there's talk of raising that charge astronomically.

Range of international flights: Sure, London has more flights and airports, but they can be pretty awful and horrible to get to/from. I can be out the door, and in one of the world's best and most efficient airports in 15 minutes from my home in the country and 20 minutes from work in the city.
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Range of international flights: Sure, London has more flights and airports, but they can be pretty awful and horrible to get to/from. I can be out the door, and in one of the world's best and most efficient airports in 15 minutes from my home in the country and 20 minutes from work in the city.


I think Basel is a bit further away than 20 minutes from Zurich...

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I think Basel is a bit further away than 20 minutes from Zurich...

Still easier to get from Basel to Zürich than from half of London's airports to anywhere remotely interesting.
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Still easier to get from Basel to Zürich than from half of London's airports to anywhere remotely interesting.
The Gatwick Express runs every 15 minutes and takes 30 minutes to reach Victoria and you can get the tube (very frequent) from LHR to the centre of London (which is remotely interesting) in about an hour. When I lived in SW London I could drive to LHR in 20 minutes on a good day.
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Still easier to get from Basel to Zürich than from half of London's airports to anywhere remotely interesting.
Argh. I meant the other way...

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Here's my perspective as a non-anglophile:

telephone: no idea

mail service: In Zürich you drop a letter in the mailbox in the evening, it arrives the next morning. Nor is a first class letter much cheaper in London, actually quite a bit more expensive if you factor in cost of living. What makes it better in London, not to mention by "a huge margin"?

public transportation: bus drivers behind thick glass carry DNA swabs so they can establish a database of people who spit on them, massively crowded subways, everything's pretty filthy, residents have to be warned not to take unlicensed cabs to avoid sexual assault, you're filmed everywhere you go because it's so damned unsafe.

traffic congestion: Zürich, and Switzerland as a whole is congested, but you can't even enter the London proper without paying a 10 gbp congestion charge and there's talk of raising that charge astronomically.

Range of international flights: Sure, London has more flights and airports, but they can be pretty awful and horrible to get to/from. I can be out the door, and in one of the world's best and most efficient airports in 15 minutes from my home in the country and 20 minutes from work in the city.
My experience on the mail issue is simply the fact that the post offices here are so inconvenient. I mean closed for lunch? WTF is that . Lunch is about the only time people have a chance to go, or at weekends, and weekends its open until 11am, about the time most sane people want to get up on a Saturday. Well thats my post office anyway.

To be fair, a lot of bus drivers in London ask for it, and the way some of the drivers behave here I think they will be installed very soon too.

Thats scare mongering because the black cabs have lost out in price warfare. Yes there have been stories of assualts, but majority of my friends, women included, use unlicensed cabs to get home. Obviously if single girl takes one then you have to question the intelligence.
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Probably no worse than most cities at peak periods.
correct, but the two cities I mentioned are two market-towns who participate in the race with world-cities of 10 times the size playing in a different league. And so, such deficits have negative results. In Zürich, public transport will markedly improve in two years, quite dramatically in fact, but road traffic will deteriorate even more. In Geneva, which is rather more densily populated, the situation is rather worse. I don't know to what extent public transport is improving in Geneva right now.

For comparison, you can trace for places like Lugano and Milano on the two lists. Milano is a tremendous city, but lacks a beautiful lake, and Lugano is a bit too small. BOTH nevertheless are favourites of mine and I would rather go to live in either one for 20 years than to live in Frankfurt for 20 months.
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public transportation - london has more extensive network, more frequent service, better night service, taxis you can take routinely without becoming bankrupt, convenient oyster card. zurich has cleaner more comfortable rolling stock. london wins.
GA is a way better solution than an Oyster card. No penalties for forgetting to swipe out. No nanny state using it to keep track of your each and every movement. No congestion and jostling at gates (especially nasty when travelling with a pram or luggage).
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Re: Mercer has released the 2012 Quality of Living Rankings

What is so important in "mail service" to be an important factor in the quality of living in a country?

I am a bit puzzled here. You drop a letter, and it goes; you order something and you receive a packet.... what other "mail service" one uses on a regular basis?

"I thought to move from Zürich to London, because mail service in London is just awesome, dude! Yeah, you may wait in the traffic jam for 1 hr, but once you get to the post office, man, you drop a letter, and bam! there it goes to the destination - totally superior quality of life! "
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Here here.. Basel is not even on the list
Basel WILL BE on the list as soon as Basel builds an artificial lake the size of the Greifensee (Uster) or the Zugersee --- possibly to the south/southwest of the city
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Re: Mercer has released the 2012 Quality of Living Rankings

what's the point of comparing Zurich (a city with an economic catchment area of 500k - 1m people) with London, a huge city with an economy over 10 times the size of Zürich? I think London has excellent infrastructure given its size and the number of tourists there.
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more cars in london, but i'd argue still (marginally) more pleasant to drive there than in zurich.
I don`t drive Zurich rush hour but I never drove London rush hour either. I`ll take driving Zurich any day. When we drive in for dinner or a movie its WAY easier than driving around London on a weekend.

Of course as pointed out you are comparing a teeny tiny city with a really big one so a bit apples and oranges.
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