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Do the Swiss charge the asylum seekers for rent?

I heard that the Swiss make asylum seekers pay for their accommodation and food. I heard it from a Tamil asylum seeker. Is this true? I cannot find anything on it on the Internet.
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Re: Do the Swiss charge the asylum seekers for rent?

This is utterly false.

Asylum seeker = pending determination of the claim for refugee status, holding an N permit. Nothing is charged whilst in the first camp ( Reception Center ) or upon transfer to a secondary center. Can work if a suitable work contract is first obtained in farming, cleaning, construction and other limited areas and wages are cut by 10% to be held in a security account ( which can be used to deport if the claim is rejected ).

Refugee = someone who has had a claim approved, either in part ( F permit ) or wholly ( B ) permit. Social security laws provide some benefits. Unrestricted access to the labour market.

Switzerland does not require repayment at present for costs incurred, unlike say Australia ( AUD90 per day held as a guest at their camps used to prevent them from returning ).

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Re: Do the Swiss charge the asylum seekers for rent?

nothing charged in the first camp but how about the second?
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Re: Do the Swiss charge the asylum seekers for rent?

Neither in the second as they are given slightly more money ( since there are no catered meals ) but given language lessons and a bunk bed for free ( plus a shared bus pass as well as limited dental and medical group insurance by the Federal government ), all of which do not require repayment.

Ask your Tamil asylum seeker to show you the purported bill for charges despite Art. 31 of the Refugee convention:

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Article 31. - Refugees unlawfully in the country of refuge

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.
Switzerland adheres to the Convention much more than say Australia does.

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Re: Do the Swiss charge the asylum seekers for rent?

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this is utterly false.

Asylum seeker = pending determination of the claim for refugee status, holding an n permit. Nothing is charged whilst in the first camp ( reception center ) or upon transfer to a secondary center. .....
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Re: Do the Swiss charge the asylum seekers for rent?

the words "and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence." would seem to indicate that if an asylum claim is rejected (i.e. not considered good cause), then there is scope to charge fees.

However "able to charge" and "do charge" are not the same. I don't know if CH charges non-accepted asylum seekers anything beyond the 10% wage holding towards deportation.
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the words "and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence." would seem to indicate that if an asylum claim is rejected (i.e. not considered good cause), then there is scope to charge fees.

However "able to charge" and "do charge" are not the same. I don't know if CH charges non-accepted asylum seekers anything beyond the 10% wage holding towards deportation.
I really wonder what percentage of cases are denied for people to have such a strange outlook on asylum seekers.
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Re: Do the Swiss charge the asylum seekers for rent?

looks like they missed a trick on switzerlanding these people!
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I really wonder what percentage of cases are denied for people to have such a strange outlook on asylum seekers.
I don't think I expressed any opinion or outlook on asylum seekers. Merely commented on the wording of the refugee convention.
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Re: Do the Swiss charge the asylum seekers for rent?

Well, the topic was about "charging asylum seekers for rent". This is clearly not charged by Swiss authorities whilst their claims are pending ( which means they have an N permit ).

Rejectees ( therefore technically no longer asylum seekers as far as the Swiss authorities are concerned ) lose their N permits and work rights, and therefore access to lodging ( and other benefits ). They are sent a letter by the Cantonal authorities to surrender their permit and to leave the Canton.

Those who do not depart become Sans papiers and depend on churches, charities and emergency shelters ( especially during the colder months ).

These organisations support the Sans papiers for medical treatment, lessons, shared bedding, travel tickets and so on as they have exhausted most means to become documented. I was involved in teaching IT literacy to them in Zürich especially those in need of some skills. Many spoke very good German. Not everyone is rejected asylum seeker there ( about 15% were from the EU and outside who cannot return for many reasons ) and the people who run the show include the Sans papiers and local Swiss. Their premises have been raided by the police many times.

http://www.bleiberecht.ch/ ( or Duldung in Germany )

Some Cantons provide a tiny leeway to a permit ( must be able to demonstrate that one is "integrated" and apply a few times for the very limited places for a compassionate permit - absorbed person status ). This is what most are hoping for although only a handful have obtained them after years on here ( less than 5% get it ). Some find work ( schwarzarbeit ) and those who pay their way through for lodging and other expenses.

http://www.sans-papiers.ch/site/index.php

The asylum system here is pretty fair and humane, and in typical Swiss fashion is transparent, logical and embodies procedural fairness with rights as per Administrative Law for review / appeal(s).

I think the allegation that asylum seekers are charged for rent holds no water.
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