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Old 21.01.2013, 22:49
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

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Most foreigners don't do the military requirement so pay more taxes in lieu, same as those Swiss who don't.
Nonsense.

My taxes went UP when I became Swiss.

You really don't know what you are talking about.

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Old 21.01.2013, 22:52
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They will pay social security but unlikely take any benefit upon retirement.
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Switzerland has agreements with the US, etc., where such do count.

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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

the only thing worse than an economist is a professor of economics.
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Old 21.01.2013, 22:53
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Well, there is.

E.g. that a person new to CH has never paid a single frank in any of her institutions, neither on Swiss markets,

nor did their ancestors.


The Swiss' did.



P.S. However, I think that the principle of equality and law is more important than morality (and btw. also PR, as this project would be really bad PR) in this case.
On the other hand Switzerland has not paid one single cent for my education, so they get a fully educated resource to their disposal for free - plug'n'play!!!

17 years is not that cheap...
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Problem is that you don't see that (i.e. maybe you do, but many don't). Swiss infrastructure is with goodwill average if not really outdated,
Maybe we are living in different parts of Switzerland because the infrastructure around here (especially roads) is exceptional. I laugh when they are tearing up what I thought was a perfect road and laying another.

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True, however what they use now has been built up before, not by them.

I agree. That's what I meant before when I said that foreigners already pay a higher price for certain services.
The cost of life (taxes) should include the taxation for the use of the infrastructure as well so these can be maintained and replaced. The ancestors paid for what the ancestors used (assuming balanced budgets not like some countries running up massive deficits where the ancestors actually left/ are leaving a pile of poo).

The fact we didn't do military service I could see as a reason to charge foreigners more. Would this apply to women as well?

I dont know if you saw the link in the article but apparently there are moves to create a referendum to stop the tax deals for the very wealthy.

Switzerland is also spending a very large amount of money to weaken the franc to support mainly local business and local economy. This tax money came from a combination of expats and Swiss as well.

Switzerland does very well from foreign companies and skilled foreign labour and foreign companies/ skilled labour do very well out of Switzerland.

What this guy is really on about is the fear of a flood of less skilled labour.
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Old 21.01.2013, 23:02
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Actually I believe that before you can do your own tax return (with C-permit) you pay more taxes, well I did anyway...

Maybe they should start increasing the taxes for the filthy rich foreigners first...
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BS

Switzerland has agreements with the US, etc., where such do count.

Tom
Whats the chances of US SS being worth anything in 25 years time?

It won't help you a bit retiring in Australia for example.
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Old 21.01.2013, 23:04
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What this guy is really on about is the fear of a flood of less skilled labour.
People are not coming here due to the taxes, but because they are offered a job...this guys is not very bright, just an ordinary populist who is clueless...
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Old 21.01.2013, 23:12
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The fact we didn't do military service I could see as a reason to charge foreigners more.
My military service back in the early Eighties less than 50 km away from strong Soviet Union military has done more to keep them out of Switzerland than the Swiss Army combined. Its greatest military achievement in the last 60 years was to accidentally invade Liechtenstein by night a couple of years ago.
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Old 21.01.2013, 23:35
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On the other hand Switzerland has not paid one single cent for my education, so they get a fully educated resource to their disposal for free - plug'n'play!!!

17 years is not that cheap...
This is exactly the point.

As long as there is that bunch of fools around like that Schneider-Ammann,

it will always be cheaper for institutions and private enterprises to hire foreign labor,

a deterrent against which could be higher taxes for that kind of labor, as this would narrow the gap at least a bit.
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Old 21.01.2013, 23:37
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Most foreigners don't do the military requirement so pay more taxes in lieu, same as those Swiss who don't.
Has the idea ever been brought up to allow foreigners living in Switzerland originating from friendly countries to serve in the Swiss Army in soldiers in non-extremely sensitive positions? Eg, a Belgian serving in the Swiss Army as a military medic is not going to cause the Eidgenossenschaft to self-destruct...
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Old 21.01.2013, 23:41
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But if as a foreigner, if I am generally paid more than the average Swiss, aren't I paying marginally more tax already? (Outside Zurich City of course).
If you do, you do. However, Switzerland is paying marginally more for you in the same logic, as infrastructure, law, guarantees, treaties e.g. are more of your profit than of those who earn less.
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Old 21.01.2013, 23:53
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

The only fair way to decide this is to put it to a vote.... Err, wait a second
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Old 22.01.2013, 00:01
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Who lets people like this in the media? Should they not be locked somewhere? I mean, now in 21st century, in Europe, he argues that "foreigners should be paying higher taxes". Geez...

And what is next? Women should not be allowed to drive? No sex before marriage?
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

first of all, I dont agree at all with most of these ideas. This Professor has quite a controversial approach too and is known for this. But some points really have to be discussed. One thing is, a yearly net-immigration of 80k per year (thats a middle sized city in switzerland) is quite the number. As already pointed out by someone, the infrastructure (roads, hospitals etc) needs huge improvements to even maintain the actual level. So there needs to be the discussion about who has to pay these taxes. Most of the people here on this board are probably expats, highly educated people staying here for the short/mid-term. A tax for "foreigner" (the prof. actually talks about permanent/non permanent residents) would not really affect the expats, as I suppose the recruiting firm would have to come up for this extra tax to be competitive on the world wide market. for low skilled workers it is a different story, these workers would actiually be worse off compared to permanent residents and a tax would hit them directly. This would maybe offset low skilled workers to immigrate to switzerland, but would hit residing, non permanent residents very hard. If this is a fair and efficient approach, I am not convinced. Problem is, because of the free movement agreement (and the huge benefits) the alternatives (a system like canada/australia) are not really available, so its important that there is a public discussion, even with controversial ideas.
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This is exactly the point.

As long as there is that bunch of fools around like that Schneider-Ammann,

it will always be cheaper for institutions and private enterprises to hire foreign labor,

a deterrent against which could be higher taxes for that kind of labor, as this would narrow the gap at least a bit.
The institutions won`t change habits unless you tax THEM for hiring foreigners. Otherwise the foreigner just ends up with a lower net salary.
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Old 22.01.2013, 07:54
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

In several ways foreign workers already pay more indirect tax. Just one example being health insurance. We are leaving Switzerland this year after nearly 5 years. We have never (touched wood) even visited a doctor, let alone claimed on health insurance and yet we will have paid a very substantial five figure sum into the system to help treat the great Swiss population.

We have been paying twice, for the most basic Swiss health insurance with highest deductible, the premium for a global medical private health insurance coverage with lower deductible with much more coverage (e.g. our new policy pays for ambulances, here you take a taxi or sell an organ!)

We have been subsidising the sick, elderly and those with unhealthy lifestyles (obese and smokers) by paying way more than our way for a service we never used.

There are many, many others like us who come for a few years in the prime of their life and provide a healthy bonus to the local healthcare coffers.

So consider that Prof. Dr. whatever!

If taxes on foreigners were higher we would have never come here in the first place. As it is we've decided Switzerland just doesn't offer enough, admittedly more on a climatic and cultural level than a financial, to make a longer stay worthwhile.
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Problem is that you don't see that (i.e. maybe you do, but many don't). Swiss infrastructure is with goodwill average if not really outdated,

not every person in Switzerland is fine economically, health care not always available at a reasonable price for everybody,

public education sucks, administration is among the worst (of course among the "Western" countries), and there are many many other things that don't work, a real shame for a rich country.

True that lacking tax entries is only one of many parts in that story.
Now I really wonder your nationality...
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Higher taxes for foreigners will be more off putting for wealthy foreigners than those on low incomes. Does Lichternstein do something like this?
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Why the groan st2lemans?
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