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Old 28.01.2013, 01:53
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Did somebody notice that in the Blick article, it says clearly that she is learning German, not that she speaks it? In the mouth of her "speaker":
Sounds a bit as if the authorities regarded her German as not sufficient, so that she has to improve her Standard German a bit. Klaus Jacobs, when he wanted to get CH citizenship, took an intensive course in dialect, which he described as an interesting experience.

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A) There is NO national language here, there are FOUR national languages.

B) My wife is Swiss-German, but she really doesn't speak a word of it. My kids are somewhat better with German, but not with Swiss-German.

C) The only language other than English that I am truly fluent is is French, though I have never lived in Romandie.

So, what's your point?

Tom
But I am sure your Italian is alright. The Canton of Ticino most likely is not interested to know what other languages somebody who wants to become a citizen of the Ticino may speak. Italian is the only official language of that Canton, just as German is in the Canton of Zürich

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All I got was a letter from Bern with legal mumbo jumbo on it. Never met a person at any stage. Just paid my Fr. 300.- or so and used the scrap of paper to apply for an ID card.
They at the relevant authority most likely knew you and already knew that you DO speak German to an acceptable extent. They possibly asked either a neighbour or a salesman in a shop about you and regarded things as alright.

And, who knows, one of your neighbours possibly is member of the Gemeinderat or the local Kegelclub or the Schiessverein, and testified in your favour !

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Old 28.01.2013, 06:42
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

Being a native of Saint Louis I can understand completely why any woman who had to live in East St. Louis with a wife beater black trash husband might think Switzerland as a great place to live. Rock on, Tina. That being said, I found Boston a nice compromise....but if she is never intending to live in the us again, there is no need to be on the hook to the IRS anymore.

Ah, the east side...such fond memories of drive-thru liquor joints at 3 am with the dude holding a loaded gun in one hand as he passed the booze through the window at a bunch of college kids with the other....and that was..decades ago.
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

Rock on Tina, she is awesome IMO! I had been hoping to run into her the whole time I was in Switzerland, but alas...didn't happen.

I don't understand the animosity of some of the posters in this thread - I mean, if she can become a Swiss citizen/they let her do it, why not? Good for her, if it makes her happy.
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

Try the Kronenhalle. She eats there sometimes.

http://maps.google.de/maps?q=kusnach...,,0,21.13&z=21
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

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Yes she has a very tough life...poor woman

Renounce her US citizenship to be able to make a reasonable living, didn't Gérard Depardieu do the same?

my heart goes out to you, Tina & Gerard...
I was really hoping that people would not associate Tina with Gerard and other tax dodgers, as the press seems to be all too well at overassociating these two issues these days. I do not think taking another nationality for a famous person means classification as an automatic tax dodger, etc... (as most in Congress already do)

We have little information on the reasons for Tina's acquisition of Swiss citizenship, and as to renouncing US, it is only heresay in the press so far. There are much different circumstances for Tina thus far known--a 20 year CH resident, who seems quite integrated here, owns property here, appears to speak the language, and has a long term partner here. ie. her center of life is in CH.

For all I know, she could have had a problem banking or getting a mortgage like a lot of us. She may have issues with her non-US partner in sharing her life, when US tax law and other over-reaching policies make basic life sharing with a non-US person difficult if not impossible.

I was hoping that Tina or some other similar person could become the poster-child for anti-FATCA and stand up to the IRS and show some in Washigton that this is not a tax issue, but a basic human rights issue. I will keep hoping....
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

You may well be mostly right about TT's reasons for renouncing her US citizenship -- but I doubt this is one of them:
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she could have had a problem ... getting a mortgage like a lot of us.
She has a net worth of $200 million, apparently.
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Old 28.01.2013, 18:56
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Rock on Tina, she is awesome IMO! I had been hoping to run into her the whole time I was in Switzerland, but alas...didn't happen.

I don't understand the animosity of some of the posters in this thread - I mean, if she can become a Swiss citizen/they let her do it, why not? Good for her, if it makes her happy.
It is also good for Switzerland, not just because she pays taxes and invests money but as the country that way gets an immense personality
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It is also good for Switzerland, not just because she pays taxes and invests money but as the country that way gets an immense personality
I'm quite sure though that either she does not understand German or she doesn't follow the news...I mean the biggest party in Switzerland don't want black people here (see below)...but I guess money is still no.1

http://www.azcup.ch/aargau/kanton-aa...teln-125945770
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

Ms. Turner did not use the asylum process. Colour will surely be irrelevant if one is economically active and productive.

Some tickets to her show went as high as CHF1,700 a pop. Imagine the revenue.
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

Apparently, because of high blood pressure, she had to cancel a recent event.

http://www.blick.ch/people-tv/musik/...id2184451.html

Am I the only one who thinks this is a direct correlation...
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The most blatantly racist and shamefully vilifying rhetoric I have seen yet from the SVP. I'd love to see how the usual SVP-apologists on EF defend this one.

Germany, 1933, anyone?

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Colour will surely be irrelevant if one is economically active and productive.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Tina Turner is an honorary white here in Switzerland.
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Ms. Turner did not use the asylum process. Colour will surely be irrelevant if one is economically active and productive.
that's why I meant by money being no.1 and all...but SVP made it quite clear that they don't want black people here hence writing "asylmissbrauch" with much smaller font...just wonder if Tina has seen the posters...maybe she can make a statement now when she is Swiss and all...

Would also be interesting to hear what Brunner and Glarner thinks...
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I'm quite sure though that either she does not understand German or she doesn't follow the news...I mean the biggest party in Switzerland don't want black people here (see below)...but I guess money is still no.1

http://www.azcup.ch/aargau/kanton-aa...teln-125945770
The SVP has members who are Blacks and/or Asians. Beside the point that there is no reason why she has to care about them. Most towns and villages on both shores of the Zürichsee anyway are FDP dominated
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The SVP has members who are Blacks and/or Asians. Beside the point that there is no reason why she has to care about them. Most towns and villages on both shores of the Zürichsee anyway are FDP dominated
Yes, no reason to be concerned about an ultra-right-wing political party that happens to be the largest in Switzerland, because who would ever dream of venturing past one's cantonal borders?

It's 2013, Wolli. Zürich is part of Switzerland now.

And Adolf Hitler was an Ashkenazi Jew. Your point is?
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that's why I meant by money being no.1 and all...but SVP made it quite clear that they don't want black people here hence writing "asylmissbrauch" with much smaller font...just wonder if Tina has seen the posters...maybe she can make a statement now when she is Swiss and all...

Would also be interesting to hear what Brunner and Glarner thinks...
And what, IF she has seen the posters ? Do not forget that Switzerland has a proportional voting system which means that a 27% party has 27% of the seats and not 57.

And while many SVPler ARE racists, not all SVPler are racists.

Germany 1933 ? NSDAP ? Well, the SVP is similar to the Deutsch Nationale Partei of the 1920ies and 30ies who then went into a coalition with the NSDAP. I still remember the 96th birthday of an aunt in Geneva who at dinner mentioned that the political developments in Switzerland (it was 2002) reminded her of Germany/Austria/Hungary of the 1920ies/30ies. A couple from Eastern Thurgau among us, clear SVP supporters, were angry. Cousin W... and me did some diplomacy and settled the waves. But when we two later on were alone with Aunt Clara, she turned to us I of course know that you agree with me. You did great diplomacy but I no longer have the time for diplomacy. Please take my advice and be warned and do whatever you can to tackle the threat of the SVP, as the SVP IS A LETHAL DANGER for Switzerland Happily enough, W... and me after that were not alone in the country and so, people managed first of all to stop the rise of the SVP and second even reduce their overal share from 29 to 27 percent.
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

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While right-wing, they are far from being "ultra" or even "far" right wing.

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Surely after 20 years, she must be fluent, oder?
Why do you think that? I have lived in CH for 18 years and other than in shops I never speak German.
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Why do you think that? I have lived in CH for 18 years and other than in shops I never speak German.
Tina Turner is part of every middle-aged SVPer's youth. Great memories and respect for her talent trump any colour they might see.

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While right-wing, they are far from being "ultra" or even "far" right wing.

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US Republican Party -- right wing.
UK Conservative Party -- right wng.
Australian Liberal Party -- right wing.
Any political party that advocates outright bans on people living in "their" country because of their religion or the colour of their skin -- far- or ultra-right wing.

Would you really place the SVP in the same political basket as the three parties I list above? Do you really fail to see the parallels with the National Socialist German Workers Party of the early 1930s, which grew from 60 members in 1920 to over 8 million by appealing to a broad base? Do you really think Wolli's dear old Aunt Clara got it all wrong?
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