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Switzerland processing Italian garbage

I was not happy to read about Switzerland volunteering to process Italy’s rubbish for them
See:-http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/S...41971000&ty=st

The article says that the northern German speaking cantons are rubbing their hands at the thought of this lucrative deal.
A railway line goes past my home and there are quite a few goods trains each day - last thing I want is hundreds of thousands of tonnes of another countries waste trundling past my front door.
It is not as if it is a national disaster like a Tsunami - this has been the case for decades in Italy - I remember reading similar stories for years. It is not as if Italy is a third world country - I am sure if they put half as much effort into a modern waste disposal solution as they expend on thier cars, clothes, restaurants and politics this state of affairs would not exist.
The thing that really annoys me are the photos of trash lining the streets - none of it appears to have been slightly processed - swiss style (sorting paper, plastics etc.) - it is just dumped hoping that someone else will sort the problem out.
If Switerland takes their rubbish, their will not be much incentive left to address the real problem of over production and environmentally friendly processing of the non recycleable waste. Except perhaps the large fees that Italy will be charged.
Not sure why - but this story really pushed a button with me.
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Old 12.01.2008, 16:00
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

A very profitable business. One in ten bin bags incinerated already comes from abroad, mainly from Germany.

I agree, everyone should reduce, reuse, recycle and then process their own rubbish. But in the short term I suppose it's a business opportunity and more environmentally friendly than burning in the open as Naples are reportedly doing.
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Old 12.01.2008, 16:23
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

Amazing stuff - you get paid you to turn someone's rubbish into heat !
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

I've often wondered how Italy actually worked, if ever.
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

The situation is totally Italy's fault and this isn't even limited to Naples. The free capacities in Switzerland weren't made for this opportunity but for German rubbish. Lately the Germans have increased their own capacity (rightfully so) and you can't blame the Swiss cantons.

I blame the Italians for not recycling (I wonder how flammable their waste is), the South for not getting its act together and what does the North? They weren't willing to help (in fact they sometimes send their own waste south because it's cheaper).

Italian infrastructure is weak – this is just another chapter after the electric current dependency.
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

I thought there were a couple of active volcanoes not too far from Naples - perfect natural incinerators. Must be cheaper than the Swiss option.
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

I'd rather they sent it up here then continue to pay the mafia. The problem is the mafia has filled Italy's rubbish tips with who only knows what kinds of toxic crap, netting more money for themselves, thus more power.
This way the Italian gov can pay Switzerland instead.
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

I visited Venice in the 1970s and when wandering the back streets I saw a chemical plant dumping nasty coloured looking stuff straight into the sea (the UK was far from perfect back then too).

I also couldn't understand why loose change was so hard to come by. Apparently Italy had sold a load of it to Japan to make watch casings with
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I thought there were a couple of active volcanoes not too far from Naples - perfect natural incinerators. Must be cheaper than the Swiss option.
Perfect as in trucks can drive up there, all pollutants get released un-filtered and maybe a couple of months later mother nature spits it out again?

You make me smile and think of the Simpsons episode where Homer disposes of Springfield's waste at a dumping price till the unavoidable end. Which actually is a good thing since I'm here in my bed fighting the flu

// Wikipedia reference-linkSeveso_disaster
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Amazing stuff - you get paid you to turn someone's rubbish into heat !
This is not as great as it sounds since the residue from incineration is about 30%. This stuff will end up in swiss landfills. Also 180Fr. is probably a dumping price to relieve overcapacitiy as I read somewhere it costs 400Fr. to dispose of 1t. Then what a waste of energy to move all this trash from southern Italy to Switzerland! Sorry I don't blame Sardinians for all the riots.
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

According to the Tages Anzeiger it is more ecologically friendly for the Swiss to transport it (by train) and burn it here than for it to be burnt in Naples.

At least somebody's looking at a solution to the problem - even if it is only for the money. Think about the poor people who live there! The quicker it's sent to Switzerland to be disposed of, the better.
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According to the Tages Anzeiger it is more ecologically friendly for the Swiss to transport it (by train) and burn it here than for it to be burnt in Naples.
Yes this is because they don't have incinerators because they're opposed to them. They also don't have any new landfills since they're opposed to them too.
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

I was under the impression that they don't have incinerators, land-fills etc. because the tax money intended for them was spent in "a different way" and not because the people living there didn't want them. However, I don't have the facts...
In the end, it's the "little" people who suffer - so why not help?
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I was under the impression that they don't have incinerators, land-fills etc. because the tax money intended for them was spent in "a different way" and not because the people living there didn't want them. However, I don't have the facts...
In the end, it's the "little" people who suffer - so why not help?
http://www.italymag.co.uk/italy_regi...protest-mount/

The people of Campania should have a better understanding what the problem is and how to solve it than me or even the italian government. I'm not against help but I'm not keen on filling up holes in swiss mountains with italian trash. That is exactly what incineration means. The residue ("Schlacke") is dumped in old mining sites ("Steinbruch").
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

Why should we be processing their rubbish? Can they not do it themselves?
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

Napels is a port also - the minimum they should do is buy a very big old ship and store the rubbish in there until they find another solution. In fact a ship would make a good incerator also - they could even go out to sea to burn the rubbish. They must be losing a fortune in tourism because of this!
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Yes this is because they don't have incinerators because they're opposed to them. They also don't have any new landfills since they're opposed to them too.
Kind of. The local organised crime earns a lot of money from this rubbish lark.
http://www.economist.com/world/europ...43DB6E60B9EE32

http://www.economist.com/world/europ...43DB6E60B9EE32
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

Difiicult to believe that one of the so called major members of the European Union is controlled and run by a group of thugs and extortionists. I think we have a long way to go before the European dream of strength and unity is realised!
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... so called major members of the European Union is controlled and run by a group of thugs and extortionists. ...
Which country?
French Unions, Italian Mafia, British labour party...
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Re: Switzerland processing Italian garbage

True! Should have qualified "thugs" with illegal.
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