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Kids right to be noisy....

In the Swissnews is a brief article about Swiss children's activists fight to protect children's "right to be noisy" following the reform of laws inhibiting children's noise in playgrounds and day care centres in Germany.
In the article it is noted that it is virtually impossible to get new playgrounds approved in urban areas and there are an abundance of complaints from local residents over noise coming from children's play areas.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_ne...l?cid=35305948

Now, I fully believe society is built upon mutual respect and compromise. A bunch of kids regularly screaming outside your window early in the morning or at night would be frustrating indeed. To my experience, however, this is not the case. The noise people are complaining about is happening during daytime hours. What is this strange obsession with peace and quiet? Is it not the sign of a sick society that we would hinder even kids from playing, and block the provision of facilities aimed at bringing communities together, and helping the youngest citizens to grow and be part of their community?

To me, this falls squarely under the "get a bloody life" category on a grand scale. There are so many horrible things in this world to fight against. What does it mean when so much anger and energy is expended at the cause of banning children's play. There. Rant over... feel better.
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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

Have to agree with this. When you are complaining about children playing during daytimes, and blocking playgrounds getting built in urban areas that need them, then you know that something really went wrong somewhere down the line. I also imagine it has a negative effect on child development when they grow up in a muted atmosphere, and then themselves become adults and believe the same is right for their own kids. Can't be healthy.
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Old 28.03.2013, 08:35
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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

luckily in my neighborhood people are normal Of course, if my kids are screaming for no reason I implore them to stop. Doesn't always help, but I try. But normal kid noise, is, well, normal! Sorry to have used that word too much in this post, my built-in thesaurus has shut down.
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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

I agree, we have a friend who lives near a playground. His balcony over looks it...

Canstantly giving out about the kids playing and laughing!

He is annoyed by the sounds of kids laughing! What a twat! Its one of the happiest sounds there is (That and the sound of Magners being poured over ice )

Its not a busy play ground and I have been to his apartment. The noise level is actually lower than you would expect!

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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

It reminds me an experience we had few years ago. We were having a little party for the birthday of the neighbor's kid. We were 4 families with maybe 6 kids from few months to 3 years old playing in the garden.

It was around 7 pm when the neighbor next door came out furious to tell us to bring our kids inside because it was now quiet time.

On a Saturday evening.

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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

Let kids be kids. As far as I'm concerned, they're the only people on the planet who are true to themselves. Noise, dirt, bloodied knees and playing with worms is all normal. Then we "so-called" grown-ups fill them full of conformist crap to make them "fit right in" with society and their dreams can be lost forever.

The best time of their lives is when they find their own limits, we should observe at arms' length and not be so self-centered in our efforts to help them mature.
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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

We overlook a primary school and I love the sound of the children playing, laughing and yes, sometimes screaming. It's also lovely to listen to them having music lessons when you can hear the piano music and them singing at the top of their voices.
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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

In one reply to the Swissnews article a poster suggests that segregated communities might be the answer. Yes, like segregation is EVER the answer to healthy, viable communities. Interestingly, my mother in law lives in an "over 55" community. The place gives me the creeps. It is quiet like, well, a morgue. The complete and utter lack of "young peoples noise", however, has not made its residents any happier apparently. They are forever embroiled in disputes over whose car is parked where, who has the contract for gardening common areas, who is not maintaining their yard, etc. It seems that people will always find something to be miserable about if they are so oriented. Focusing that ire on children, however, is just plain mean-spirited.
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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

average kids noise, fine. kids running around in apartment like they are on on speed, banging and hitting everything possible and screaming for hours - not fine.

yes im a grumpy old t**t, have a nice day
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average kids noise, fine. kids running around in apartment like they are on on speed, banging and hitting everything possible and screaming for hours - not fine.

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That's why they should be allowed to do it outside!
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average kids noise, fine. kids running around in apartment like they are on on speed, banging and hitting everything possible and screaming for hours - not fine.

yes im a grumpy old t**t, have a nice day
You wouldn't possibly happen to be our downstairs neighbour, by chance?
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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

if your location was gundli and i was upstairs then yes,, i hate to think what the people below said family have to endure....
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average kids noise, fine. kids running around in apartment like they are on on speed, banging and hitting everything possible and screaming for hours - not fine.

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Agreed, but we are talking about outdoor playareas, not indoor apartments.
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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

Ah there is always problem neighbors! (Kids and Adults) someone is always unhappy.

Our downstairs neighbor plays his music so loud our floor vibrates and the floor is concrete!!!!

In turn our dog barks so his music goes louder....



Our friend has this problem with her upstairs neighbor... when they knocked on the door to complain the lady smilled and offered that next time they can pick the CD (My poor friend but i thought it was so funny!)
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A bunch of kids regularly screaming outside your window early in the morning or at night would be frustrating indeed. To my experience, however, this is not the case. The noise people are complaining about is happening during daytime hours. What is this strange obsession with peace and quiet? Is it not the sign of a sick society that we would hinder even kids from playing, and block the provision of facilities aimed at bringing communities together, and helping the youngest citizens to grow and be part of their community?

To me, this falls squarely under the "get a bloody life" category on a grand scale. There are so many horrible things in this world to fight against. What does it mean when so much anger and energy is expended at the cause of banning children's play. There. Rant over... feel better.
In late Fall a new playgroup opened in the village of Lengnau, near Baden.
http://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/aargau...oben-125735122

We are not right next to it but nearby. The opening hours are clearly posted along with the rules. Everyday 8 - 20:00, with quiet time from 12:00 - 13:00.

This was always a lively area which suited us just fine. With our pets we make a different kind of noise. Now we are moving and we hope the playground will make our house even more attractive to families.

If someone wants to live in a quiet neighbourhood, ours is not the one.

What you can't see in the photo is a large picnic table where the parents can sit and chat. It can be covered with a large sunshade. The border inside the fence is also fitted with seating places. So you are right, it is a way of bringing people together, not just kids but their parents too. This is a good thing.
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Agreed, but we are talking about outdoor playareas, not indoor apartments.

same goes for outside, 3 hours worth of little johnny and suzy bashing the crap out of steel railings and the slide tends to grate after a while.
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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

Indoors in private residences is a trickier issue. There I have been at both sides of the issue. It is maddening to constantly have the noise of running and screaming at all hours. At the same time, it is maddeningly difficult to curtail all running and noise making of (especially small, multiple) children. We are walking that difficult line right now of trying to be considerate of neighbours while not spending our lives chastising our kids for being, well, kids. Strict rule is that there is no extended running and screaming, and none at all before 9 or after 8. No complaints yet, but that does not mean we do not drive our poor neighbours nuts...

The other side is that in our development a friend of mine receives constant complains by her downstairs neighbour about her kid making noise. The management company has threatened to remove her and her family if the noise continues. Thing is that my friend has one small daughter who mostly plays quietly by herself. Noise of the running and yelling variety happens during daytime hours once or twice a week during playdates at the house. Otherwise, this friend, not wanting trouble, tries to keep things as quiet as possible. The last time we were there the kids ran from the playroom into the living room shrieking and giggling. It must have lasted all of 1 minute. Immediately the neighbour starting banging (presumably with a broom handle) on the ceiling. It is a new, sound-tight building, filled with families. I have no idea what this neighbour is expecting in terms of silence, or if she simply has nothing better to do but wait for noise...
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Re: Kids right to be noisy....

Our friend has this problem with her upstairs neighbor... when they knocked on the door to complain the lady smilled and offered that next time they can pick the CD (My poor friend but i thought it was so funny!)[/QUOTE]

That is actually pretty funny
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^ the last bit i suspect...... of course some noise is to be expected
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