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Nine Arrests After Police Raid at Huawei in Dübendorf

http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/10385450

I've been working in this company in the past and the story is always the same.
They bring people from China on tourist permit and make them work as crazy and pay them peanuts.

I guess this is also a result of the tighter immigration law just enforced by Switzerland.
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Old 29.04.2013, 16:35
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...and there's the reason that Sunrise is able to bring customers cheap prices and worsening quality

http://www.inside-it.ch/articles/28742

http://www.pctipp.ch/news/kommunikat...or_orange.html
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http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/10385450

I've been working in this company in the past and the story is always the same.
They bring people from China on tourist permit and make them work as crazy and pay them peanuts.

I guess this is also a result of the tighter immigration law just enforced by Switzerland.

And WHAT ? In the 1960ies, half of all construction companies worked with employees with a "doubtful" status. Particularily small companies. Dad worked as AHV/SUVA inspector for the Federation of Construction Builders

and at times assisted such companies to defend themselves. He often got told they are NOT much cheaper but are the best

In other words I will check up Huawei WEBsite ..................
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Re: Nine Arrests After Police Raid at Huawei in Dübendorf

Huawei got convicted a few times in Belgium for exactly the same!
You would think that after getting caught one time, you get more careful...
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Huawei got convicted a few times in Belgium for exactly the same!
You would think that after getting caught one time, you get more careful...
Not really. If the fines are less than the salaries they save, they'll keep doing it.
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And if the illegal workers get repatriated home by the Swiss authorities, the company doesn't even need to pay their return air fares.
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Well that explains how Huawei was able to afford billions of dollars for advertising with the last Olympic games. They were mentioned virtually every commercial break, sometimes more than once!
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Old 03.05.2013, 17:52
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Re: Nine Arrests After Police Raid at Huawei in Dübendorf

Appears as if people in the top-echelons of Swisscom, who co-operated with Huawei up to now are seriously pissed and threaten to reduce their co-operation heavily unless Huawei makes sure that such things do not happen again.
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Appears as if people in the top-echelons of Swisscom, who co-operated with Huawei up to now are seriously pissed and threaten to reduce their co-operation heavily unless Huawei makes sure that such things do not happen again.
That is a wishful thinking, Wolli. Huawei is a seriously unethical company; and their work practices are doubtful. They will go a long way to do anything to win a deal, including nice treatments to customer executives. (if you know what I mean).

They are also able to undercut the prices in the market (heavily sponsored by government).

Any manager, at any mobile company, when needing to upgrade network equipment (for example, base stations) would be able to choose between 200 millions EUR (from Ericsson, Nokia-Simens, etc). Or to do the same for 50 millions EUR (from Huawei), and for the difference offer cheaper phone calls.
All the customers want cheaper phone calls.

So, if Swisscom execs are pissed now, that wont last long, believe me
only until next investment/network expansion.
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And WHAT ? In the 1960ies, half of all construction companies worked with employees with a "doubtful" status. Particularily small companies. Dad worked as AHV/SUVA inspector for the Federation of Construction Builders
Did SUVA Inspectors employed by organizations such as SBV such as your father have enforcement authorities like government inspectors would?
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Re: Nine Arrests After Police Raid at Huawei in Dübendorf

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Huawei got convicted a few times in Belgium for exactly the same!
You would think that after getting caught one time, you get more careful...
If such as the case, the guilty employers should be punished by aSinagpore-style canning and 7 years in jail.
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Re: Nine Arrests After Police Raid at Huawei in Dübendorf

Huawei

- copied Cisco's operating system exactly
- got refused entry into the US telecom market because they have built-in spying in their equipment
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That is a wishful thinking, Wolli. Huawei is a seriously unethical company; and their work practices are doubtful. They will go a long way to do anything to win a deal, including nice treatments to customer executives. (if you know what I mean).

They are also able to undercut the prices in the market (heavily sponsored by government).

Any manager, at any mobile company, when needing to upgrade network equipment (for example, base stations) would be able to choose between 200 millions EUR (from Ericsson, Nokia-Simens, etc). Or to do the same for 50 millions EUR (from Huawei), and for the difference offer cheaper phone calls.
All the customers want cheaper phone calls.

So, if Swisscom execs are pissed now, that wont last long, believe me
only until next investment/network expansion.
Thanks. Explains a lot.

BUT, you see, what really pissed them was NOT what Huawei DID but that they did it in a way that they could be caught

The problem is not new. When construction companies faced similar troubles in the 1960ies/70ies, they outsourced to "Akkordanten". It is extremely complicated to check up onto those "Akkordanten-Truppen", whose chiefs of course only keep the legal employees on their lists, and are very well organized. And where the not-so-very-legal chaps convert into passers-by within half a minute when necessary.
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That is a wishful thinking, Wolli. Huawei is a seriously unethical company; and their work practices are doubtful. They will go a long way to do anything to win a deal, including nice treatments to customer executives. (if you know what I mean).

They are also able to undercut the prices in the market (heavily sponsored by government).

Any manager, at any mobile company, when needing to upgrade network equipment (for example, base stations) would be able to choose between 200 millions EUR (from Ericsson, Nokia-Simens, etc). Or to do the same for 50 millions EUR (from Huawei), and for the difference offer cheaper phone calls.
All the customers want cheaper phone calls.

So, if Swisscom execs are pissed now, that wont last long, believe me
only until next investment/network expansion.
Swisscom has just started a major upgrade to 4G/LTE and chose Ericsson for that. It's not just about cheap prices of equipment, but quality, support, security, etc. needs to be considered as well. It's like anything else in life, if you want to buy a TV/car/etc., if you want quality you pay a little extra for it.

Reminds me of a sign I saw somewhere once:

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Re: Nine Arrests After Police Raid at Huawei in Dübendorf

Actually I was at that office when it happened. Since then nothing has changed except they have opened guest room for 'those' people.
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Did SUVA Inspectors employed by organizations such as SBV such as your father have enforcement authorities like government inspectors would?
YES, they did and do have the power to enforce. One of the colleagues of Dad routinely DID enforce things. Dad however never did enforce anything but spoke with people directly. He over the years became a kind of trusted advisor to many folks. It is a matter of style
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Huawei

- copied Cisco's operating system exactly
- got refused entry into the US telecom market because they have built-in spying in their equipment
You are leaving out some important bits of info... Huawei as a company was founded for one reason: After the Tiananmen massacre did the US install an export ban on many products including IT equipment to China.

The military could not buy the cisco routers they wanted anymore, so the army asked two well connected ex-PLA-officers to set up a shop and build them what they need. So they did not copy cisco out of greed, but necessity. Then mobile telecommunications took off a big time during the 90s and since they are so much cheaper went Huawei within a decade from the odd one to the largest manufacturer of equipment overtaking Ericsson two years ago.
Again: They are not a publicly traded company, but privately held by a group of men with very strong ties to the Chinese military. That's not a secret and every customer knows it... as it seems today can they hardly spy more than the Americans, can they?
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Nothing surprising there, Chinese companies, even huge corporations, haven't really internationalised; they do business abroad the exact same way they do in China, where companies are masters in cheating the system.
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Nothing surprising there, Chinese companies, even huge corporations, haven't really internationalised; they do business abroad the exact same way they do in China, where companies are masters in cheating the system.
...and here they allow it - thank god for a liberal market!
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...and here they allow it - thank god for a liberal market!

Right now, the Swiss Federal Defence Minister who this year is Federal President, is in China on invitation of the State President and the Chinese Prime Minister and has also met the Chinese Defence Minister. The Chinese Prime Minister on his recent visit to Switzerland apparently saw that there is room for expanded co-operation in many fields. Mr Maurer generally does NOT like travelling but now made an exception
 

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