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Kidnapping and murder in Vaud/Fribourg

A 19 year-old woman was kidnapped and murdered by a convicted murderer and rapist whilst under house arrest and wearingan electronic tag.
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Old 15.05.2013, 14:53
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Re: Kidnapping and murder in Vaud/Fribourg

Yes, quite sad.

And on top of the fact that the guy should have stayed in jail, I find it quite disturbing that despite his past, he was able to volunteer for the Nez Rouge operation and escort young girls home...

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Old 15.05.2013, 14:57
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I find it quite disturbing that despite his past, he was able to volunteer for the Nez Rouge operation and escort young girls home...

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All it says is that he claimed on the internet he drove for Nez Rouge, have they confirmed that?
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Old 15.05.2013, 15:05
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All it says is that he claimed on the internet he drove for Nez Rouge, have they confirmed that?
Hmmm. Good point. I first heard something about it on the news... but wasn't paying 100% attention to it so they may have been using the same source.

I guess we might know more after the current press conference.

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Re: Kidnapping and murder in Vaud/Fribourg

Being a father of a baby girl, this kind of news really affect me more than before she came to our lives - this could happen to her too!!

I think I would never forgive anyone for releasing this animal - who "saw no problem in killing is first girlfriend".
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Being a father of a baby girl, this kind of news really affect me more than before she came to our lives - this could happen to her too!!

I think I would never forgive anyone for releasing this animal - who "saw no problem in killing is first girlfriend".
Why did they even let him out of jail? I think the psychologists/judges responsible should be brought before court and not be allowed to ever work again, since obviously they did a very bad job.
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They're part of the system - their colleagues will do them no harm.
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They're part of the system - their colleagues will do them no harm.
I'm afraid you are right.
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Re: Kidnapping and murder in Vaud/Fribourg

I know that most people on this forum are from countries that have no death penalty, but I have to say that it appears to me that this an argument in it's favor.

If I were the father of either of his victims, I would have no problem at all with putting him down.
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Old 16.05.2013, 15:11
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I know that most people on this forum are from countries that have no death penalty, but I have to say that it appears to me that this an argument in it's favor.

If I were the father of either of his victims, I would have no problem at all with putting him down.
I would think so too, but I also believe death is also a very easy way of escaping punishment.
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Old 16.05.2013, 15:46
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I would think so too, but I also believe death is also a very easy way of escaping punishment.
I actually have problems explaing that you kill someone as a punishment for killing someone... not very logical.

But I do hope he'll get a lifelong sentance and/or internment.
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Old 16.05.2013, 16:06
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I actually have problems explaing that you kill someone as a punishment for killing someone... not very logical.

But I do hope he'll get a lifelong sentance and/or internment.
I'm not so much worried about punishment as I am thinking about potential victim number 3 who is undoubtedly in middle school right about now.

This is the second time in just a few weeks that I've heard about the Swiss system equating 10-12 years to a "life" sentence.

There was a recent case in Geneva where a girl took exception to her boyfriend getting another girl pregnant, The solution was for the two of them to hook up with the pregnant victim, then the boyfriend had sex with her once more for old times' sake right before he strangled her to death and the two of them burned her body and buried what was left.

They are eligible to get out in 10-12 years, but are appealing for a shorter sentence because the boyfriend evidently had a harsh upbringing....poor him

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Old 16.05.2013, 16:07
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Re: Kidnapping and murder in Vaud/Fribourg

Reminds me of an almost identical case which took place couple of years ago in Zurich, this guy who killed the 16 years old Lucy. He attempted to kill a girl years ago, put in prison, the psychologist set him free and this time he indeed he succeeds to kill another girl..... Lucy.

Seriously the process of releasing such persons based on a psychologist's report should be revised, and yes this psychologist should be brought to court.
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Old 16.05.2013, 16:08
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Re: Kidnapping and murder in Vaud/Fribourg

I think keeping away from that old death penalty debate would be a good idea. It drags threads off topic, and never ends well.
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I think keeping away from that old death penalty debate would be a good idea. It drags threads off topic, and never ends well.
Agreed. Put that topic to death already.
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Old 16.05.2013, 16:53
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I know that most people on this forum are from countries that have no death penalty, but I have to say that it appears to me that this an argument in it's favor.

If I were the father of either of his victims, I would have no problem at all with putting him down.
Hate to agree on this one, but I do.
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Re: Kidnapping and murder in Vaud/Fribourg

Meanwhile in bezirk Horgen a convicted paedophile is suing to be allowed to move back with his parents, to a house within view of where his young victims live because it would be unfair to keep him away from his home village.

My views changed too now that I have a small baby girl. I wouldn't go as far as this guy
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But the balance cannot swing too far to the perpetrators either
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Re: Kidnapping and murder in Vaud/Fribourg

However horrific a crime (as this one was) dragging out the "it wouldn't have happened if the death penalty existed" is just utter nonsense. Killers kill because they want to, they don't think of the consequences of getting caught or what happens afterwards. If they did, Texas would be the safest place on earth with zero murders.

This is zero consolation to those affected, but there are lunatics out there that like to feed their perverted minds with actual deeds. They cannot or will not change their ways just because straight thinking folk think that murder is bad and that severe punishment is an appropriate deterrent.

However, once these perpetrators are caught, their lives should indeed be restricted. I have no issue with locking up random murderers (those who kill for their own blood lust) and throwing away the key.
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I know that most people on this forum are from countries that have no death penalty, but I have to say that it appears to me that this an argument in it's favor.

If I were the father of either of his victims, I would have no problem at all with putting him down.
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I know that most people on this forum are from countries that have no death penalty, but I have to say that it appears to me that this an argument in it's favor.

If I were the father of either of his victims, I would have no problem at all with putting him down.
The problem isn't with understanding that a killer is a killer. The problem is with a system that enables him to kill again. No one knows for certain who will be first time murderers. But once you know, then the responsibility lies with those in charge of securing the rest of us.

Plus it's expensive to cook the bad guys when not all of them are actually guilty.
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