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Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

Possibly progress on this case at last:

The brother of Alps massacre victim Saad Al-Hilli has been arrested by Surrey Police on suspicion of conspiracy to murder.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-arrested.html
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

been wondering about that case recently...sad if it was the brother, but it does make sense. Shame about all those conspiracy theories that were founded in the earlier thread about the case...
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Old 24.06.2013, 16:52
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been wondering about that case recently...sad if it was the brother, but it does make sense. Shame about all those conspiracy theories that were founded in the earlier thread about the case...
Probably too soon to write off the conspiracy theories as the OP posted "arrested by Surrey Police on suspicion of conspiracy to murder"
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

I caught the second half of the documentary recently on TV looking into this case, and did think the presenter/UK correspondent in France (forget his name) Alan something I think, was discussing the point that there had been little investigation into the cyclist, not even a picture, whom, for someone passing through in the wrong place at the wrong time, was shot 7 times including in the head.

I guess that could be somewhat explained in a sense that maybe he was sprayed whilst trying to divert away from the incident, meaning he took a few torso bullets before the killer finished him off to ensure he couldn't reveal any evidence, but I too found the number of bullets he took odd for someone not an intended target.

The fact the killer left one kid and beat the other, who also took a bullet is another odd fact of the case particularly factoring the brothers supposed involvement. Why would he leave them alive assuming it was him and not a contractor? Likewise, if it wasn't him, but a contractor, who was perhaps told to leave the kids out of it, then an accidental bullet wound, fine, but a beating too? Weird.

Plus, the fact the brother moved early in the investigation, prior being under suspicion really, to say there was no issues between them, silly move for a guilty party.

Lots of weirdness in this case still to be answered if ever.
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Old 24.06.2013, 18:05
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I caught the second half of the documentary recently on TV looking into this case, and did think the presenter/UK correspondent in France (forget his name) Alan something I think, was discussing the point that there had been little investigation into the cyclist, not even a picture, whom, for someone passing through in the wrong place at the wrong time, was shot 7 times including in the head.

I guess that could be somewhat explained in a sense that maybe he was sprayed whilst trying to divert away from the incident, meaning he took a few torso bullets before the killer finished him off to ensure he couldn't reveal any evidence, but I too found the number of bullets he took odd for someone not an intended target.

The fact the killer left one kid and beat the other, who also took a bullet is another odd fact of the case particularly factoring the brothers supposed involvement. Why would he leave them alive assuming it was him and not a contractor? Likewise, if it wasn't him, but a contractor, who was perhaps told to leave the kids out of it, then an accidental bullet wound, fine, but a beating too? Weird.

Plus, the fact the brother moved early in the investigation, prior being under suspicion really, to say there was no issues between them, silly move for a guilty party.

Lots of weirdness in this case still to be answered if ever.

my thought was that if he is arrested for conspiracy to commit murder that perhaps they don't think he is the trigger-man but maybe he hired someone to do the job. Of course, this could be due to watching too many movies and episodes of "Law and Order"...
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my thought was that if he is arrested for conspiracy to commit murder that perhaps they don't think he is the trigger-man but maybe he hired someone to do the job. Of course, this could be due to watching too many movies and episodes of "Law and Order"...
I too suspect that was more than likely the case if he did conspire it, but it does beg the question as to how the cyclist came to be shot 7 times (i.e. extreme for non intended target) and the situation of the little girls, whom were either missed and left alone completely whilst the other was shot and beaten but not killed.
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Old 24.06.2013, 18:17
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

I think that some of it shows that crimes aren't always so well planned out or run smoothly like we see in movies/tv - lots of mistakes are made, people panic, etc. Anyhow, I just hope they are able to solve it...
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my thought was that if he is arrested for conspiracy to commit murder that perhaps they don't think he is the trigger-man but maybe he hired someone to do the job. Of course, this could be due to watching too many movies and episodes of "Law and Order"...
He'd still be culpable for murder though, even if he wasn't there in person. The 'conspiracy' charge is used if it can't be proved that the individual actually commissioned the act, but was aware of it, for example. In this case it's being used as a means of charging, holding, interrogating, someone while they try and gather enough evidence for a full-on murder charge.
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

In a theatre play, if a gun is on the wall in act 1, it will be used in act 3. Real-life is rarely that neat. There will be all sorts of weirdness. We're very good at spotting anomalies, but statistical flukes do crop up.
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

12 months later it's till on going http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23975138
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12 months later it's till on going http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23975138
While the matter was of very high interest to people in Britain, I always had the impression that the French public only was interested for some 3 days and then quickly forgot about it. And the Judiciaire in Paris acted per "PTT" Prendre le Travail Tranquille = take it easy So that I do not expect further results
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

Minor update, but no real news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24476624
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Seven times and once in the head you say? Everyone hates cyclists.
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Seven times and once in the head you say? Everyone hates cyclists.
21 bullets were fired in total, why single out the cyclist?
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21 bullets were fired in total, why single out the cyclist?
The Panorama documentary said last night that he is one possible lead. He worked in cloak and dagger type stuff, although apparently he had no real security clearance, also, no photos have been released of him.

He was riding an "inappropriate" bike for the type of track (i.e. a racing bike with thin wheels instead of a mountain bike).
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The Panorama documentary said last night that he is one possible lead. He worked in cloak and dagger type stuff, although apparently he had no real security clearance, also, no photos have been released of him.

He was riding an "inappropriate" bike for the type of track (i.e. a racing bike with thin wheels instead of a mountain bike).
I felt like Panorama was pushing the idea of the brother being the prime suspect - I guess officially he is of course but they seemed to lead the story that way. But he didn't come across well.

A big point i think they should have expanded more on is what the family were doing up that road.. They were staying in a camp site quite some way away.. Of course a visit to Annecy could be expected but why go up that dead end mountain road?

I also think that if the brother had either done it or arranged a hit on the whole family, then he/hitman would have taken out the whole family. They would would have known that the other little girl was 'missing'.

And the cyclist, hit so many times because he had the potential to escape, he was not stuck in the car.

The injured little girl.. I think she was taken from the car and used to extract some info or make some point to the others before they were all shot were they sat, in the car.

Of course it's all hearsay.
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The overall impression that I got from the documentary is that the brother is the prime suspect with adequate motive to kill them and the cyclist was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Apparently they don't have sufficient evidence that would make a case stick in court. Whatever happens in the murder case, there seems to be evidence against the brother for fraud.

Whoever killed them must have known where they were heading. My guess is that the 'hitman' was on standby and given the location at fairly short notice.

There are still many unanswered questions and other possibilities
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I wonder if the BMW was front wheel drive they would have been able to get away.
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Whoever killed them must have known where they were heading. My guess is that the 'hitman' was on standby and given the location at fairly short notice.

There are still many unanswered questions and other possibilities
The hitman thing doesn't really ring true, though. As the brother said (ok, he's a suspect but his point is a valid one), if you want to assassinate someone, you do it as the are leaving their home or office or some other predictable spot, not trail them on their family caravan holiday, lure them to some deserted spot then kill the whole family and a passing cyclist.

It sounds a bit far-fetched.

But maybe that's what they want you to think...
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

Some time ago the TV reported the cyclist was the target: he was very friendly with the heiress to a fortune in nearby Annecy, and the family wanted rid of him. The British family were killed as they were witnesses.

(The following might be innacurate: The weapon was a .22 pistol which uses very small bullets, and unless you are very close to a victim would be a poor choice of weapon, especially when after a car full of family members)

My money is on an amateur contract killer aiming for the cyclist.

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