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I suspect they are doing this because they are about to propose something really big - the formation of the United States of Europe.
Four months on and they've yet to make the big announcement. When do you reckon it's coming Phos? I'm on the edge of my seat.
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Old 01.12.2016, 10:52
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Debate closed today without any decisions; more hot air tomorrow, same time, same place, same procedure as usual.
It is so expensive.
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Old 01.12.2016, 13:28
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Debate closed today without any decisions; more hot air tomorrow, same time, same place, same procedure as usual.
Debate finished with a 26 - 16 vote in support of the MEI light proposal.
There is a small addition that in some circumstances companies will have to interview Swiss candidates. I am not really clear how this will work in practice
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Debate finished with a 26 - 16 vote in support of the MEI light proposal.
There is a small addition that in some circumstances companies will have to interview Swiss candidates. I am not really clear how this will work in practice
No-one will do this, so many people will "fail to show up for their interview" and fall outside the control of the RAV etc.

It will be a nightmare to prove that the company actually abide by the rules.

Before they even get happy with their plan we will be into next year and I doubt the EU has scheduled time yet for a debate and January is expected to be busy working on TTIP, USA and the EU Army.

Then add-in Switzerland / Croatia ........

Switzerland will need to first:
  • Trade bank secrecy
  • Open the gold vault and pay higher annual subscriptions to the EU
  • Convict Blatter, mock him publicly and ensure he is the sacrificial FIFA lamb

Then the debate could be scheduled for Jan 16th to get a Feb decision and for it to be all over .......
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Old 07.12.2016, 21:54
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Re: Repercussions of [immigration limits] Vote Already Starting...

Despite all the posturing the SVP have decided against starting a new referendum to force a "stronger" implementation of MEI.
Source (German language)

Strange world we live in; probably a sensible SVP decision
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Old 12.12.2016, 22:37
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Debate finished with a 26 - 16 vote in support of the MEI light proposal.
There is a small addition that in some circumstances companies will have to interview Swiss candidates. I am not really clear how this will work in practice
Nationalrat have also agreed with the MEI light proposal including the curious interview amendment; final vote on Friday.
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Old 16.12.2016, 15:02
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"The Swiss parliament has approved a law aiming to curb immigration by giving priority to local workers at open jobs. The law stops short of imposing quotas as Swiss voters demanded in a 2014 referendum and it is hoped Switzerland should therefore avoid a clash with Brussels."

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"People’s Party cries foul

Members of the conservative right Swiss People’s Party, which had proposed the February 2014 referendum on quotas, argued up until the final vote that the latest parliamentary proposal violates the Constitution because it does not contain quotas and therefore fails to apply the will of the people.

The People’s Party has said that if cabinet does not intervene by February 9 with a version of the law conforming to the 2014 initiative, it will launch a new initiative “as soon as possible” to dissolve the bilateral accord with the European Union concerning the free movement of people. "

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/new-immi...m_source=sflow

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Re: Repercussions of [immigration limits] Vote Already Starting...

Lol. Good luck with that.



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"The Swiss parliament has approved a law aiming to curb immigration by giving priority to local workers at open jobs. The law stops short of imposing quotas as Swiss voters demanded in a 2014 referendum and it is hoped Switzerland should therefore avoid a clash with Brussels."

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"People’s Party cries foul

Members of the conservative right Swiss People’s Party, which had proposed the February 2014 referendum on quotas, argued up until the final vote that the latest parliamentary proposal violates the Constitution because it does not contain quotas and therefore fails to apply the will of the people.

The People’s Party has said that if cabinet does not intervene by February 9 with a version of the law conforming to the 2014 initiative, it will launch a new initiative “as soon as possible” to dissolve the bilateral accord with the European Union concerning the free movement of people. "

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/new-immi...m_source=sflow

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Old 16.12.2016, 15:07
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Lol. Good luck with that.
Actually, I would expect it to pass.

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Re: Repercussions of [immigration limits] Vote Already Starting...

It's hard to see how the EU would find the proposed arrangement acceptable because it allows discrimination against EU nationals not currently resident in CH, so it's a compromise of free movement of people.

It still leaves Brits in limbo of course because of brexit, if this deal was accepted by everyone would Switzerland be allowed by the EU to make a similar deal with the UK? I suspect not as it requires an exclusive privilege for EU citizens.
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Old 16.12.2016, 16:34
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It's hard to see how the EU would find the proposed arrangement acceptable because it allows discrimination against EU nationals not currently resident in CH, so it's a compromise of free movement of people.
The EU is already happy enough to allow preference based on residency, as long as it does not differentiate on nationality. For example, most, if not all EU countries require that one is in some way resident before they can apply for social welfare assistance, which is preference in favour of locals too, without any problems.
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Old 16.12.2016, 19:33
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It's hard to see how the EU would find the proposed arrangement acceptable because it allows discrimination against EU nationals not currently resident in CH, so it's a compromise of free movement of people.
Full free movement is a requirement of the single market, it is not a standalone issue. Switzerland does not have full access to the single market, so there is some flexibility there. As long as Switzerland treats all residents the same it is acceptable. And it is a being presented as a temporary measure until we fix our situation :-)

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It still leaves Brits in limbo of course because of brexit, if this deal was accepted by everyone would Switzerland be allowed by the EU to make a similar deal with the UK? I suspect not as it requires an exclusive privilege for EU citizens.
I expect that UK residents with a B permit will be have to be treated as third country citizens. If not then you could expect other countries to demand the same of Switzerland and that would be an issue for the EU.
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Full free movement is a requirement of the single market, it is not a standalone issue. Switzerland does not have full access to the single market, so there is some flexibility there. As long as Switzerland treats all residents the same it is acceptable. And it is a being presented as a temporary measure until we fix our situation :-)



I expect that UK residents with a B permit will be have to be treated as third country citizens. If not then you could expect other countries to demand the same of Switzerland and that would be an issue for the EU.
Given the proposed changes for renewing/keeping any Swiss permit it looks like we're all going to be treated as 3rd country nationals.

Um, wonder how those changes are going to sit with the free movement thing. Yeah sure, you can move here, just don't expect to get your permit renewed after a year if you're not integrated enough.
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Actually, I would expect it to pass.

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You would, wouldn't you

Not sure about this, as the climate as changed- people are truly feeling the pinch, jobs are being lost, and more at risk- as Swiss businesses find it difficult to produce and export due to high costs and high CHF- and with markets outside the EU slowing down badly (Chinese for instance), and Swiss businesses also squeezed by import Cartels - they have to sell cheap to sell- and have to import raw materials, etc, at 30 to 40% more than others in Europe.

So it could go both ways- more protectionism as jobs are lost and anti-frontaliers and anti-foreigner sentiments- but also a real realisation that the cost of losing access to the single market, etc- is just too high to pay and too risky. I had a business meeting the other day with some very high calibre business owners and CEOs - the mood was sombre.
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Screw the EU, may they all rot in hell!

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It's hard to see how the EU would find the proposed arrangement acceptable because it allows discrimination against EU nationals not currently resident in CH, so it's a compromise of free movement of people.

It still leaves Brits in limbo of course because of brexit, if this deal was accepted by everyone would Switzerland be allowed by the EU to make a similar deal with the UK? I suspect not as it requires an exclusive privilege for EU citizens.
"Brits in limbo " after Brexit Brits will no longer be any concern for the EU.
"would Switzerland be allowed by the EU to make a similar deal with the UK?" No!
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Full free movement is a requirement of the single market, it is not a standalone issue.
Conceptually, it's completely standalone. It's been added by the EU as a prerequisite to access to the free market, but it's not fundamental to the idea, so could be easily be separated if the will were there.
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Conceptually, it's completely standalone. It's been added by the EU as a prerequisite to access to the free market, but it's not fundamental to the idea, so could be easily be separated if the will were there.
First of all it is not a free market it a single market and just like every other single market, the free movement of all the elements of production is a requirement. The whole point of the single market is to replicate the national market on an EU level. The fact that the U.K. Negotiators seem to be unable to grasp these concepts leads me to suspect we will not see a soft exit nor a hard exit but instead a bust up with the U.K. departing with an outstanding bill of about €60b and little prospect of a trade deal within the next 10 years.
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