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So not unlike the clothing or electronics industries then, where hideous working conditions and child labour are rife. Or food. Or manufacturing. Or anything really as western consumerism ignores the polite fact that poor people nearly kill themselves to make it for pittance.

But as you say, that's different, because it's not drugs - and drugs are evil.
Electronics and clothes do NOT kill the buyers (usually), drugs do. Drugs trendwise DO damage the health of the consumer considerably
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Unfortunately, I'm not sure how much can be done to prevent it (unless we can somehow find a way to get it all off the streets in general). I think many young kids, in particular, have a certain... illusion of immortality... about them. They think they're indestructible and often have no real understanding of consequences (this has to be learned in time and through experience -- sometimes learned the hard way). This was certainly the case for me, when I was young, and for many of my friends.
Hmmm...grow up in a medical family, basically in hospital. Then you know what the feeling of immortality leads to. Reality check, not that I always appreciated, but it sets one's mindset to always stay clear of destructive stuff, for good.

Which makes me think, it might be a couple of things. Work on anxiety issues (society should not produce more of those than people are able to produce on their own), self esteem, community, school and parental envolvement and a major reality check.

When I stayed in Canada, the fact they were printing those horrendous images of different body parts afected by cancer (and bits of dead bodies) linked to smoking, on cig packs, had a huge effect on how the community there sees smoking. In fact I do not know a single Canadian who would smoke, be proud of it or considered it rock and roll, protest song, being cool like that. Ugh.

Try to walk through a crowd of teen these days - what is the obsession, cigs, redbull. I know it is harmless compared to drugs, but anything taken in more than moderation will push those sensitive ones closer to feeding oneself with fun stuff, just a little. And wanting to feel big. And then some more. I would have people face more the reality of this still tabooed world, it affects all social groups.

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They need more of it, and earlier than it is introduced. Little kids have big minds. What's put in it early will carry them through rough times later on. It needs to be done before the teen brains start looking for extremes and looking up to them..
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No drug is ideal, there will be addicts, idiots, people prone to violence and people who die on them, but there will be a significant subset who take them, enjoy it, and then lead normal successful lives - much to the consternation of the anti-drugs crowd.[/QUOTE]

The so called significant subset "believe" that they are leading normal lives. In from their point of view which as been changed by the substance. They are in a different state of mind. Often people do interventions with substance abusers because they do not see the reality. They are not aware of the havock and wreckage they leave behind. They believe they are leading normal lives where in reality they are leading abnormal lives. Maybe there lives are normal compared to lives of their friends who probably also abuse.

They enjoy the substance but more often than not those around them are not enjoying it.
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Try to walk through a crowd of teen these days - what is the obsession, cigs, redbull. I know it is harmless compared to drugs, but anything taken in more than moderation will push those sensitive ones closer to feeding oneself with fun stuff, just a little. And wanting to feel big. And then some more. I would have people face more the reality of this still tabooed world, it affects all social groups.

They need more of it, and earlier than it is introduced. Little kids have big minds. What's put in it early will carry them through rough times later on. It needs to be done before the teen brains start looking for extremes and looking up to them..
Parenting is important in regard to substance abuse. A parent needs to get educated on substance abuse and educate their children constantly.

There other issue of anxiety and depression in children is that basically that they do not feel good about themselves. To pressure to be successful and fit in. Need to start telling children what they have done right instead of telling them where they have gone wrong. They usually know where they have gone wrong. Encouragement is so important.
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When I stayed in Canada, the fact they were printing those horrendous images of different body parts afected by cancer (and bits of dead bodies) linked to smoking, on cig packs, had a huge effect on how the community there sees smoking. In fact I do not know a single Canadian who would smoke, be proud of it or considered it rock and roll, protest song, being cool like that. Ugh.
We saw these images (black, amputated body-parts, mostly) at school. Relatively early.
I thought it was a silly thing to start smoking after seeing what happens to you (and knowing how difficult it is to stop). Didn't stop a lot of my friends from starting.
It scared the hell out of me (as did the pictures of people doing drugs, at the end of their "career" - but then, I'm a rather simple character and I hated peer-pressure even back then.
My parents used to smoke before I was born - at least my father - but a tough cold got him off it for a few days and helped him stop it completely before I was born.
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Yeah, perhaps. I always thought cocaine was a "party drug," so a lot of people in Zurich probably do use it just as a means to ease boredom. I think a lot of people also use it because they feel it makes socializing (e.g. in clubs) easier for them. From what I've seen, it really inflates people's egos.

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Coke: Instant arsehole powder.

I used to do it a fair bit back in the late 90's in London, but then I was working in advertising & magazine circles and doing a few lines in the pub a couple of times a week was considered very occasional use compared to what most people were doing.
Never really liked it that much tbh - initial buzz was fun, but I quickly got very bored of then listening to the absolute wank other people on it would speak. (and realised I was probably talking a load of bollocks too).

Crap drug, plus you feel like poo the next day because most of it's such rubbish quality.
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Parenting is important in regard to substance abuse. A parent needs to get educated on substance abuse and educate their children constantly.

There other issue of anxiety and depression in children is that basically that they do not feel good about themselves. To pressure to be successful and fit in. Need to start telling children what they have done right instead of telling them where they have gone wrong. They usually know where they have gone wrong. Encouragement is so important.
This is excellent. A lot of people don't want to be intrusive, esp with teens, initiate talk, bug them. When in fact even if they face you with an attitude not exactly conducive to sharing, they really want to. Kids want to be acknowledged, applauded..love your teenage angst and rage you dealing with at home, they will always remember the hugs. Give them opportunity to win, at anything. It's easy to fake it with drugs, we are against a tough competition. It's easy to feel unimportant as a kid.
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We saw these images (black, amputated body-parts, mostly) at school. Relatively early.
I thought it was a silly thing to start smoking after seeing what happens to you (and knowing how difficult it is to stop.
I think you made a great point. Another one is having parents who stay away from addictive stuff. Seeing adult staff smoke around kid facilities shouldn't be allowed.
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Electronics and clothes do NOT kill the buyers (usually), drugs do. Drugs trendwise DO damage the health of the consumer considerably
Could you just back that up with some evidence showing a single line of coke considerably damages someone's health.

If you mean repeated long term use, then using the correct example, which would be food rather than electronics, if you over eat for years on end then you will end up with some sort of coronary blockage witha fair chance of death.

So they are about the same really.
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http://blog.tagesanzeiger.ch/stadtbl...comment-163080

Sorry this is in German. You can use Google Translate. Very good. if someone can translate this article it would be cool
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Could you just back that up with some evidence showing a single line of coke considerably damages someone's health.

If you mean repeated long term use, then using the correct example, which would be food rather than electronics, if you over eat for years on end then you will end up with some sort of coronary blockage witha fair chance of death.

So they are about the same really.
Interesting thing actually. I suppose one line of coke may not hurt you. The problem is that "you just can't have one".
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Electronics and clothes do NOT kill the buyers (usually), drugs do. Drugs trendwise DO damage the health of the consumer considerably
Kind of a good point if you realised it is the mirror effect in that growing and supplying drugs makes money and foreign investment that directly aids the 3rd world poor, yet kills off westerners; however industry makes life a misery for the 3rd world poor and makes the westerners happy.

Lots of caveats, i.e. the price of limes recently, but one can see that as a side effect of western governments interference in a free market economy.
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Kind of a good point if you realised it is the mirror effect in that growing and supplying drugs makes money and foreign investment that directly aids the 3rd world poor, yet kills off westerners; however industry makes life a misery for the 3rd world poor and makes the westerners happy.

Lots of caveats, i.e. the price of limes recently, but one can see that as a side effect of western governments interference in a free market economy.
Many years ago drugs was introduced into China to control it. You are right, the western world is killing itself.

Substance abuse including alcohol is just plain dumb. It is the biggest obstacle to success, growth, development etc.
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Alcohol and drug addiction is a major problem in society. It ruins lives, people loose jobs, families , homes relationships etc.

BUT that being said many people are recognizing this and getting involved in other activities such as yoga, exercise, meditation etc Cool

There are those who are recognizing the dangers and are quitting before they hit bottom.

One thing to remember that addiction is not only relegated to the poor.

There are treatment centers in zurich making thousands servicing the wealthy, including politicians, royals, athletes, musicians.

I remember seeing a joke billboard (Evening Standard London)... headline was
“Cocaine found in wrap of London Cocaine”..
Took me a while to get the irony... Scary that you would put something in your body that you know is “cut” with unknown chemicals.
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Re: Zürich - Swiss champions in cocaine use

Done it a few times, but never understood why people like it so much and are willing to pay a fortune for it. I never got much of a buzz and instead felt like crap while on it. Must be one of the few on which it has the opposite effects.
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6 years on and not many EF’ers admitted to any drug use in our misspent youth.

Probably true, if anyone on here was taking drugs; weed know.
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Re: Zürich - Swiss champions in cocaine use

Average consumption was 1,6kg per person in 2014.
Wonder what it must be now.
Coming from a poor country, always thought you needed moolah and cojones to do drugs. And I was skint and a coward, so never did it.
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