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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

Another story.
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Over a period of 70 years, an estimated 10,000 were sent to the ‘Magdalene laundries’ to carry out unpaid manual labour under the supervision of nuns.
Some were sent because they were the children of unmarried mothers, others for crimes as minor as not paying a train ticket.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3HWz1QzGN
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

What does that have to do with Switzerland? Or is this another "omg bad stuff happens all over the world, just in case you weren't aware" post.
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Old 29.10.2014, 13:25
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

They should reinstate this today, for "children" up to 30 years old who are stuck on their gaming platforms and mobile devices.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

That is why I would never support "Pro Juventute".
They made a forced apology in 1987 and that was it.
The parliament gave 11Million Francs (max CHF 20'000) to those affected...a joke.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

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They should reinstate this today, for "children" up to 30 years old who are stuck on their gaming platforms and mobile devices.
They should reinstate an abusive system for people living in the digital age? Well, glad we got that one cleared up.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

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http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29765623

I find it cynical to compare deportation and similar child abuse in other countries. It happened right here, where we are living, continuously for more than a hundred years. It began at a time when most of Europe were introducing laws to protect the underdogs of society.

If you read the BBC report, it wasn't just the forced fostering with unsuitable families, it wasn't just the farm work, it wasn't just the lack of family love & warmth, it wasn't removing the chance to advance through education, it was all of these. No wonder these adults are fragile today. And now they find that much of the damning evidence against their employers, has been destroyed.

There is a film about these children (Der Verdingbub, the contracted boy, shown here about 2 years ago?) go and see it if you can, the film is quite mild compared to the reports,
http://i.cineman.ch/movie/community/?movie_id=20038

The argument now, as ever here, is who should pay any compensation.
It's hard to imagine sorting out "who should pay". The concept of the inalienable "Rights of the child" is new; the UN Convention dates only from 1989. With theft of assets -- as in the Holocaust assets -- it's easier to target juridical persons who benefited, and their successors. To ask the State to pay, which Germany did to some degree for its Nazi era abuses, raises other issues: such as the compensation demanded in Charles Henry's 2007 book "Long Overdue: The Politics of Racial Reparations".

One of my grandmother's aunts had many children and another none. The one with none was apparently quite well off and she demanded, and got, an infant from her sister to live with her. That poor infant was treated throughout her life as a servant, never married and seemingly died alone. My aunt's husband was the youngest of 12 growing up in a mountain farming family in the Grisons. When he came of age he and one brother were told by their father to emigrate. As it happens he did well in New York: at his death he was executive head of room catering at the Plaza Hotel. His daughter was a local civil servant; one granddaughter graduated from MIT and became a US Air Force Officer, the other an operatic singer. My grandmother married a vaudeville impresario. Her parents had been well off, her father in the haberdashery industry. But he lost his fortune when straw hats fell out of favour and his son, sent to London to study at university but instead a dilettante, shot himself when remittances stopped coming.

Just to show the variety of life across class in Switzerland at the turn of the 20th Century. And the lack of options for most children. As someone else pointed out, Switzerland was a poor country -- a country of emigration -- before the war. One has a tendency to try to judge our ancestors with today's norms, but that's not possible. And to do so leads to attempts to reverse 500 years of history in Europe and the Middle East and seething hostility for perceived injustice.

As Oliver Wendell Holmes said, the law is not there to "do justice" at all. And his job as a Supreme Court Justice was to "play the game according to the rules". http://uniset.ca/terr/art/dojustice.html
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

Pfft. Kids have got far more energy than me. And can fit into smaller places. Get the parasites earning their board, bloody freeloaders.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

this issue was discussed a while ago here and i said before we have a family friend who was a child worker- well, basically slave as she lived, worked and was severely abused throughout her childhood in valais. she is probably around 70 now, never had kids and has always had psychological issues due to this time in her life. it's not only switzerland but it is strange how you don't hear much about it around here and, as i've said before, i think that there is a strange way of dealing with children here in general that is a bit engrained in the culture- that is evidenced in the fact that this isn't discussed, addressed let alone dealt with in terms of the effects on the now older adults who had to go through this.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

Old news I can tell you all about it


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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

Exactly. And it does still happen in another form. My hairdresser, adopted as a child from peru by an evangelical family- very strict- bath once every two weeks, working the land, isolated life in the mountains etc etc etc and he's only about 32. Escaped to lausanne and tries to put his life together. Who would think in switzerland this could still happen but it does and its accepted for many reasons. If you go to valais, the little tiny villages with not many people you'll see a good number of adopted kids and some quite strict and severe religious groups or lifestyles. Not exactly the same as before but still, imho, pretty questionable ways to treat children.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

Isn't this an old adage with old farming families? They have lots of kids so they have more hands to till the soil and pick the harvest. Summer vacation takes place when it does because it is harvest season.

And yes, this happens today; whether in sweat shops, diving for pearls, as prostitutes or child soldiers.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

Except that these children were not the famers' children born and raised on the farm, they were children who were taken from their families against their will and forced to work, shown little or no affection and given little to eat.
Maybe this being brought up again could in some small way raise awareness of the fact that similar things are still happening today.
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Isn't this an old adage with old farming families? They have lots of kids so they have more hands to till the soil and pick the harvest. Summer vacation takes place when it does because it is harvest season.

And yes, this happens today; whether in sweat shops, diving for pearls, as prostitutes or child soldiers.
Interesting, I didn't know we had pearls or child soldiers in Switzerland.
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Wonder if it will be shown on Swiss T.V.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29765623
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Oh, do keep up at the back!

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Probably not that show, but we had several reportages about it these last years (at least on the swiss french tv)
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Oops, beg pardon. Just got in and saw a mail from family. Hadnt read EF yet.
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Wonder if it will be shown on Swiss T.V.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29765623

It's in german, but here's a portrait of Guido Fluri that aired a few weeks ago, he's the man behind the campaign to compensate the Verdingkinder.

(Very rough background, and is now one of the most successful men in Switzerland, decent guy to boot)
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

Interesting read


http://www.thata.ch/rapportofes2004t...ashuonker.html
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