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I find it odd that the BBC would rehash this old news.
I'm afraid it can only mean that the BBC has been bought up by TheLocal.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

I just asked my OH if he knew about this… he did, but he thought the children were sold by the parents, he wasn't aware they were taken against their will!!
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Old 29.10.2014, 22:15
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I'm not sure why people immediately bring other countries and other situations (it doesn't even mention child labour or abuse in the wiki article you linked, so what is the direct relevance?) into the mix. I know bad things happen in other countries, they always have done.

The point is I am shocked that this particular systematic child abuse happened in Switzerland, not behind closed doors, the state was aware of it and encouraged it, and until recently. I'm genuinely shocked about that.
OK, I'll try to phrase it another way:

My point about using Sweden (other than the fact the two are often confused) is that many other countries that you think would be "good and wholesome" have dodgy histories. Not to say that one is worse than the other or both equally bad or that it's OK because others do it too.

So why are you shocked? What is so special about CH that makes you think it wouldn't do something like this - do you believe all the hype that it is a perfect place?

What was done was indeed shocking, but not "more so" because it was in CH. As I said, I think what is more important will be how the Swiss people react to this.

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I just asked my OH if he knew about this… he did, but he thought the children were sold by the parents, he wasn't aware they were taken against their will!!
Yeah. Because that is just so much better...
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Old 29.10.2014, 22:38
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

If you read the Swiss press/magazines this news wouldn't be so much of a shock. It is truly shocking but has been widely reported for more than a few years. The Beobachter publishes an on going campaign regarding compensation for those who suffered.

Switzerland was extremely harsh to those that didn't tow the line, the gemeinde officials held immense power and were a great source of fear for many of the inhabitants. It makes it more understandable that some people would rather starve than ask for help from their own parish.
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OK, I'll try to phrase it another way:

My point about using Sweden (other than the fact the two are often confused) is that many other countries that you think would be "good and wholesome" have dodgy histories. Not to say that one is worse than the other or both equally bad or that it's OK because others do it too.

So why are you shocked? What is so special about CH that makes you think it wouldn't do something like this - do you believe all the hype that it is a perfect place?

What was done was indeed shocking, but not "more so" because it was in CH. As I said, I think what is more important will be how the Swiss people react to this.






Yeah. Because that is just so much better...



Just saying ! I am in solidarity with all children which went true crap like this . Worldwide
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Old 29.10.2014, 22:48
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

This all speaks of the classic commie mindset, and none of it should come as a surprise. Compounded with a history of overlords and serfdom. Nothing belonged to you. Anything you have can be taken from you by the "Gemeinde" for the "greater good". Including your children. Some remnants of the same mentality still exists today. Of course it was done here, as well as just about any commie twisted culture in the history of Europe.
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OK, I'll try to phrase it another way:

My point about using Sweden (other than the fact the two are often confused) is that many other countries that you think would be "good and wholesome" have dodgy histories. Not to say that one is worse than the other or both equally bad or that it's OK because others do it too.

So why are you shocked? What is so special about CH that makes you think it wouldn't do something like this - do you believe all the hype that it is a perfect place?

What was done was indeed shocking, but not "more so" because it was in CH. As I said, I think what is more important will be how the Swiss people react to this...
...And came with different timing. That's why many developing countries are bit reluctant to address child labour issues, or other labour issues, especially when developed countries point their fingers on the former.
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This all speaks of the classic commie mindset, and none of it should come as a surprise. Compounded with a history of overlords and serfdom. Nothing belonged to you. Anything you have can be taken from you by the "Gemeinde" for the "greater good". Including your children. Some remnants of the same mentality still exists today. Of course it was done here, as well as just about any commie twisted culture in the history of Europe.
Europe, eh?

We'll not mention the S word, then, shall we?

Not sure any of us can be afford to be smug on this subject.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

Historically Switzerland does not seem to figure as the major culprit of slavery issue on international scale. There is much more dark history of colonies and the New World to be precise. Having said that it doesn't make it alright of course. However it looks like another go at rich country which is capable of paying compensations for such atrocities. Just my five cents.

IMHO, every nation should deal with one's own history and it's not particularly in order to be advertised in such bad light by another country. It's not my place either to have a discussion on that topic. "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone ...". If you know what I mean.
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This all speaks of the classic commie mindset, and none of it should come as a surprise. Compounded with a history of overlords and serfdom. Nothing belonged to you. Anything you have can be taken from you by the "Gemeinde" for the "greater good". Including your children. Some remnants of the same mentality still exists today. Of course it was done here, as well as just about any commie twisted culture in the history of Europe.
Say what?!?

Seriously, Phos? What you been smoking?
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I just asked my OH if he knew about this… he did, but he thought the children were sold by the parents, he wasn't aware they were taken against their will!!

Some WERE leased out or sold by their parents but many were taken against the will of the parents. Often, the parents were forced to sign some legal papers they did not understand.


The article however is faulty, as the Kinder-der-Landstrasse were Gypsies. There were not many Verdingkinder aber WW-ONE, but ProJuventute actively contributed to the KdL program which was aimed at Gypsies.
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You custom build them here, then pick them up nine months later.



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This was not the case with me and my sister But you and I have some strange humor some times


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Europe, eh?

We'll not mention the S word, then, shall we?

Not sure any of us can be afford to be smug on this subject.
Socialism? No, my point is that none of this should not come as a surprise to anyone who attended their history classes. Child labour was widespread throughout the world in the early industrial periods. Most factories employed children. Even in pre-Industrial periods, children were employed on farms. In the 'States, it was actually the rise of labor unions and collective bargaining that slowed the use of children for labor. Children were paid a lot less than adults, and easier to control.
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This was not the case with me and my sister But you and I have some strange humor some times


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Cannut, you mean to say.... you experienced some of this?
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Cannut, you mean to say.... you experienced some of this?
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Old news I can tell you all about it


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Cannut, you mean to say.... you experienced some of this?

Yes I did . And count yourself lucky if you never did
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Yes I did . And count yourself lucky if you never did
Eek! Sorry to hear that. Entschuldigung. I hope you saw justice prevail.
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Eek! Sorry to hear that. Entschuldigung. I hope you saw justice prevail.

Sorry for what ,I am perfectly fine . But I know to many , which are not


Lets hope child exploitation will be stamped out sooner then later, everywhere .Cross my fingers

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Sorry for what ,I am perfectly fine . But I know to many , which are not


Lets hope child exploitation will be stamped out sooner then later, every wear .Cross my fingers

I remember that the whole mess became obvious in the late 60ies, early 70ies. My friends and me, teenagers in the 60ies, had not suffered in any way, but felt rather angry to realize that by selling those stamps had to some parts supported crooks.
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Looks like it was a slow news day at the Beeb then, as they've basically rehashed and republished the article today.
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I find it odd that the BBC would rehash this old news. There is now doubt that what happened is terrible, but I think one has to look at the general view of how children were raised at the time. Most people either did not know about it or they did not think it was wrong, just like people did not think it was wrong to move native Indian children to residential schools in Canada (the last of which closed in 1996!)
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I'm afraid it can only mean that the BBC has been bought up by TheLocal.
To be fair to the BBC, the story in the OP is "re-hashed" because they are airing a program on BBC1 Friday night about it with interviews from some of those affected.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n3csw9bs
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