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I find it odd that the BBC would rehash this old news. There is now doubt that what happened is terrible, but I think one has to look at the general view of how children were raised at the time. Most people either did not know about it or they did not think it was wrong, just like people did not think it was wrong to move native Indian children to residential schools in Canada (the last of which closed in 1996!)
Sorry, but why is it odd? They still show the horrors from second world war for instance, or from other places. Is it odd because it is about Switzerland and it should be protected or what?
I find it odd that people find it odd. It is not "news" per se, it is a social phenomenon that it is being reported on. It happens to have taken place in Switzerland, perhaps that disturbs a little bit?
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The point is I am shocked that this particular systematic child abuse happened in Switzerland, not behind closed doors, the state was aware of it and encouraged it, and until recently. I'm genuinely shocked about that.
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I wish I could be genuinely so shocked about it, only because it happened in Switzerland. God bless..
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Switzerland was extremely harsh to those that didn't tow the line, the gemeinde officials held immense power and were a great source of fear for many of the inhabitants. It makes it more understandable that some people would rather starve than ask for help from their own parish.
A friend was one of these children.

Her father died, leaving her mother with my friend, age 10, and her younger brother. The village mayor and minister decided that her mother, who was foreign, was not capable of handling the family's affairs and therefore the family (and the money the father left the family...) should be placed under their authority. The minister came one day and simply took the children away.

My friend was placed with a family in another village, where, although she was allowed to go to school, she was made to work as a maid. Her story mirrors those of the children in the article. She was allowed to visit her mother once a year for a week at Christmas time, and to write to her mother and her brother once a month.

This was in the 1960s.

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It happens to have taken place in Switzerland, perhaps that disturbs a little bit?
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Some years ago my friend was telling her story to us, a group of expat women, over coffee at a café in Zürich. A man, a total stranger, came over to our table and berated her for 'telling lies about our country to foreigners'.

My friend said that the man's reaction was common. Few of her generation were willing to acknowledge what happened to families like hers, let alone that what was done was wrong.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

It wasn't just children. Single mothers had their babies taken from them and some were commited to mental hospitals and sterilised. Others never got out of the system until their 60's. The Beobachter has an ongoing campaign you can read alot of these stories on line.
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It wasn't just children. Single mothers had their babies taken from them and some were commited to mental hospitals and sterilised. Others never got out of the system until their 60's. The Beobachter has an ongoing campaign you can read alot of these stories on line.
Yes, knew about that one too...now I regret I wanted to go a little bit beyond chocolate and fondue.
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It wasn't just children. Single mothers had their babies taken from them and some were commited to mental hospitals and sterilised. Others never got out of the system until their 60's. The Beobachter has an ongoing campaign you can read alot of these stories on line.
Can you please provide a link to that section of the site? Couldn't find it when I looked.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

We mustn't forget that we are talking about the stuff which had happened before some of us were even born. How can we truly relate to those events of different times? True sentiments or just a drama because the image of Switzerland has always been born impeccable in our minds
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We are talking about the stuff which had happened before some of us were even born. How can we truly relate to those events of different times?
Sometimes you really do post the most head-scratchingly senseless things.
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Can you please provide a link to that section of the site? Couldn't find it when I looked.
Because it is for a good cause:

http://www.beobachter.ch/dossiers/do...remdplatziert/

It was Hans Caprez and the Beoabchter which brought 15. April 1972 the topic of the Pro Juventute's "Kinder der Landstrasse" to a broader public.
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Sometimes you really do post the most head-scratchingly senseless things.
Were you born in that period of time to remember the slavery or just vent your outrage speaking on behalf of those people you had never met in your life?
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

Jacek, I was born in 1959, I moved to Switzerland to a small community in Graubünden in 1981. I heard first hand from people about their fear of the Gemeinde/commune as they all had someone in the family/friends who have been on the receiving end of their power. So quite frankly it was not so long ago.
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Yes, knew about that one too...now I regret I wanted to go a little bit beyond chocolate and fondue.
Swiss chocolate has also been associated with child labour, despite that it takes place somewhere else... but does that make any difference?
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Were you born in that period of time to remember the slavery or just vent your outrage speaking on behalf of those people you had never met in your life?
Are you seriously suggesting that someone cannot feel empathy for something that happened to others, just because it was before they were born, or because they haven't met or known them personally?

If so then you really are a strange guy, and to be honest I don't know why I bother replying to your nonsense.
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the 20th Century. And the lack of options for most children. As someone else pointed out, Switzerland was a poor country -- a country of emigration -- before the war. One has a tendency to try to
Net migration ("Wanderungssaldo") from 1871-2008



Certainly no evidence of massive emigration from poverty stricken Switzerland.

In 50 years (1841-1890) less than 170'000 Swiss migrated to the US.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/...statistics.htm

Compare this to current net immigration >70'000 per year
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Jacek, I was born in 1959, I moved to Switzerland to a small community in Graubünden in 1981. I heard first hand from people about their fear of the Gemeinde/commune as they all had someone in the family/friends who have been on the receiving end of their power. So quite frankly it was not so long ago.
Sorry to hear about your experience and being indirectly on the receiving side of it. I was born only 15 years later than you Oldhand (not that old) but only put my first footsteps in Switzerland in 2008. Given the fact that majority of us are foreigners and some even won't relate to that part of Condfederation Helvetica's doom history, I would stay neutral on the topic. Just to point out some random outrage from youngsters who never been on the receiving side.

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Are you seriously suggesting that someone cannot feel empathy for something that happened to others, just because it was before they were born, or because they haven't met or known them personally?

If so then you really are a strange guy, and to be honest I don't know why I bother replying to your nonsense.
Not that I am not sympathizing with people who were affected, on the contrary, I am. Just suggesting, it's not my place and time, as an expat to point fingers at Switzerland and saying "you also burdened by slavery history so you are not better than our countries".
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Were you born in that period of time to remember the slavery or just vent your outrage speaking on behalf of those people you had never met in your life?
and in fact i did mention someone who is in his early 30's that was in a similar situation...and there are others. and please, just because the type of slavery you are speaking about happened before- doesn't mean it was justified. nor does it mean that it doesn't happen now...really- do you live in the same world as the rest of us- i wonder
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and in fact i did mention someone who is in his early 30's that was in a similar situation...and there are others. and please, just because the type of slavery you are speaking about happened before- doesn't mean it was justified. nor does it mean that it doesn't happen now...really- do you live in the same world as the rest of us- i wonder
Yes, indeed we live in the modern society, on daily basis people get harassed and enslaved in Switzerland. I wonder why we are still staying here
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

I am sure the majority of people still feel outrage over events which happened many many years ago, centuries even.
Just because something happened before our lifetime doesn't mean we should dismiss it as unimportant.
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I just asked my OH if he knew about this… he did, but he thought the children were sold by the parents, he wasn't aware they were taken against their will!!
I also asked my O/H about this.

He says it had nothing to do with the state.

It was about farmers. Most of Switzerland were farmers in those days, small farmers, medium sized farms, large farms, rich farms poor farms.

Farmers from the Bodensee areas ("rich farmers")needed labourers, they approached the poorer farmers, who were happy to off-load a child or two to go work on the farms, in return for payment to the parents.

That money made the difference between being able to eat, or starve.

About the sterilization of women ..... O/H said prostitutes were sterilized. Not just "any" women.

Not a perfect world by any means, just a poor one, with the rich few taking advantage of the many poor.

Same as in England with their Workhouses where they sold off children to work on farms or in factories. Some children were well treated and educated into trades, most were abused and died young or grew up afflicted.

Same in South Africa under apartheid.

Same in America with their Indians.

Same in India with their different caste systems.

Same as most anywhere in the world.

But Switzerland seems to be the "flavour" of the moment .
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It wasn't just children. Single mothers had their babies taken from them and some were commited to mental hospitals and sterilised. Others never got out of the system until their 60's. The Beobachter has an ongoing campaign you can read alot of these stories on line.
It might also be worth noting that in the early 70s doctors were sterilising native american women - without their consent.
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Yes, indeed we live in the modern society, on daily basis people get harassed and enslaved in Switzerland. I wonder why we are still staying here
Working with children thankfully i have the patience for this.now nobody said these things are unique to switzerland- neither is it from before any of us are born nor strictly because the children (or women as you are making connections here) are asking for trouble by the way they dress or behave... switzerland is lovely but its not perfect and these are issues that deserve to be addressed- unfortunately people who prefer to dismiss things like this are surely part of the problem and the persistence of abuse.
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