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Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

A bit of a damning article on the BBC about this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29765623

Mind you, possibly no worse than what has potentially happened in our respective country's histories.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

"Verdingkinder Reden" / "Contract Children Speak",
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

Looks like it was a slow news day at the Beeb then, as they've basically rehashed and republished the article today.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

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A bit of a damning article on the BBC about this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29765623

Mind you, possibly no worse than what has potentially happened in our respective country's histories.
It's amazing the goal of so many here is to get a Swiss passport.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

I came across this today too. Asked a native friend, who confirmed this is common knowledge, "old news".

I find it absolutely unbelievable. State enforced child slave labour, and the parent was forced to pay for this honour... yet the farmer's union doesn't see why they should contribute to the victim's fund, because "how many more could come forwards". How is the delusion of the "good Swiss farmer" still a thing? I've just lost the last shred of respect I may have had for them.

I somewhat cringe at the "historical" designation of this as there are relatively young examples of victims, thus there are more than likely still farmers and administrators directly accountable that are still happily living out their lives. I wasn't able to find any examples of anyone facing any actual charges or any form of repercussions, which I find beyond disgusting.

I was aware that Switzerland is nearly always a bit lagging in developments, compared to the rest of the world. The purported last witch burning in the western world, the very late full adoption of the female vote... awesome place we live in.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

No worse than the UK shipping it's 'orphans' to Australia to be trained in 'useful employment'. At least many of them still had contact with their birth families.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

I don't think the BBC is in any kind of position to criticise others for failing to protect children from abuse.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

I could do with some slaves, do they say where you can pick them up from?
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

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I could do with some slaves, do they say where you can pick them up from?
You custom build them here, then pick them up nine months later.
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I don't think the BBC is in any kind of position to criticise others for failing to protect children from abuse.
Are you saying that BBC Radio's "Breakfast in bed with Gary and Jimmy" wasn't cancelled due to falling ratings?
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

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I came across this today too. Asked a native friend, who confirmed this is common knowledge, "old news".
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Old news indeed, and there was also another social "experiment" the Swiss have done with Jenische children.
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You custom build them here, then pick them up nine months later.
It takes a brave man (willing to pay extra) to give that a go.
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

WTF... never heard of this before but I cannot believe that it went on until so recently. What a damning indictment of Swiss society, if this was state-driven. Simply outrageous.

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Old news indeed, and there was also another social "experiment" the Swiss have done with Jenische children.
Too difficult to provide a link to what you're talking about?
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Too difficult to provide a link to what you're talking about?
Search term for your favorite search engine --> Kinder der Landstrasse
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

There's a big display about this at the Ballenberg museum. A lot of records were destroyed to "give the victims a new start" which is possibly one of the most cynical things I've ever heard.
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WTF... never heard of this before but I cannot believe that it went on until so recently. What a damning indictment of Swiss society, if this was state-driven. Simply outrageous.
The Swedish did the "similar" things over the same time period. (Similar in terms of outrageous.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compuls...tion_in_Sweden

There are plenty of skeletons in various European closets. I think what is more important, and will be more telling on how far CH has "progressed", will be the general public's reaction if this ever goes to vote (compensation).
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The Swedish did the "similar" things over the same time period. (Similar in terms of outrageous.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compuls...tion_in_Sweden

There are plenty of skeletons in various European closets. I think what is more important, and will be more telling on how far CH has "progressed", will be the general public's reaction if this ever goes to vote (compensation).
I'm not sure why people immediately bring other countries and other situations (it doesn't even mention child labour or abuse in the wiki article you linked, so what is the direct relevance?) into the mix. I know bad things happen in other countries, they always have done.

The point is I am shocked that this particular systematic child abuse happened in Switzerland, not behind closed doors, the state was aware of it and encouraged it, and until recently. I'm genuinely shocked about that.

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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29765623

I find it cynical to compare deportation and similar child abuse in other countries. It happened right here, where we are living, continuously for more than a hundred years. It began at a time when most of Europe were introducing laws to protect the underdogs of society.

If you read the BBC report, it wasn't just the forced fostering with unsuitable families, it wasn't just the farm work, it wasn't just the lack of family love & warmth, it wasn't removing the chance to advance through education, it was all of these. No wonder these adults are fragile today. And now they find that much of the damning evidence against their employers, has been destroyed.

There is a film about these children (Der Verdingbub, the contracted boy, shown here about 2 years ago?) go and see it if you can, the film is quite mild compared to the reports,
http://i.cineman.ch/movie/community/?movie_id=20038

The argument now, as ever here, is who should pay any compensation.
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I don't think the BBC is in any kind of position to criticise others for failing to protect children from abuse.
Jealous that Jim never fixed it for you?
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Re: Historical child slave labour in Switzerland

I find it odd that the BBC would rehash this old news. There is now doubt that what happened is terrible, but I think one has to look at the general view of how children were raised at the time. Most people either did not know about it or they did not think it was wrong, just like people did not think it was wrong to move native Indian children to residential schools in Canada (the last of which closed in 1996!)
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